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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Date: Fri, 9 May 2025 05:43:23 +0100 Organization: Fix this later Lines: 30 Message-ID: <vvk15b$2i1b0$2@dont-email.me> References: <vv97ft$3fg66$1@dont-email.me> <b47c9e70d415c1e5e469aaab846f0bd05e4bcc51@i2pn2.org> <vvall0$o6v5$1@dont-email.me> <vvc33h$25atc$1@dont-email.me> <vvcgja$1voc$1@news.muc.de> <vvd6pf$34l9k$1@dont-email.me> <vvdads$13pc$1@news.muc.de> <vvdcld$3arjo$1@dont-email.me> <871pt0pfzl.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <vvg1cs$13ojs$1@dont-email.me> <87o6w2ob0h.fsf@bsb.me.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Fri, 09 May 2025 06:43:24 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="2b573b17a97b3b771864cdd7a1499e84"; logging-data="2688352"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/7rzC09lNss2dv8TiUQZfWoyE3DMeh7aCUOy2WaUGNLw==" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:94GOTCe2m7NiAUfYx8KTXw86Myo= Content-Language: en-GB In-Reply-To: <87o6w2ob0h.fsf@bsb.me.uk> Bytes: 2243 On 09/05/2025 01:58, Ben Bacarisse wrote: > Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> writes: > >> On 07/05/2025 17:01, Ben Bacarisse wrote: <snipped, but not ignored> All fair enough. >>> There exists a TM, H, that computes h(n, i). >> >> You're going for formality, which is of course admirable. I was going for >> informality, > > I went on to be more formal, but my remarks were made in the context of > you being informal. Maybe I should have just rephrased your remarks in > an informal way that I would not be so uncomfortable about. > >> which is not always to be sneered at. > > No indeed. I'm sorry if you thought I was sneering. I don't. Poor word choice on my part. -- Richard Heathfield Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk "Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999 Sig line 4 vacant - apply within