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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Date: Fri, 9 May 2025 10:59:17 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 54 Message-ID: <vvl8ol$2rl0l$14@dont-email.me> References: <vv97ft$3fg66$1@dont-email.me> <vvgq6o$1acph$1@dont-email.me> <vvgqgl$15i5e$27@dont-email.me> <vvgr22$1ag3a$2@dont-email.me> <vvgt36$1auqp$2@dont-email.me> <vvgtbe$1b0li$1@dont-email.me> <vvguot$1auqp$3@dont-email.me> <vvh0t2$1b939$1@dont-email.me> <vvhap5$1hp80$1@dont-email.me> <vvhf20$1ihs9$1@dont-email.me> <vvhfnd$1hvei$3@dont-email.me> <vvil99$1ugd5$1@dont-email.me> <vvinvp$1vglb$1@dont-email.me> <vviv75$222r6$1@dont-email.me> <vvj1fp$22a62$1@dont-email.me> <vvj2j6$23gk7$1@dont-email.me> <as9TP.251456$lZjd.93653@fx05.ams4> <87msbmeo3b.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com> <vvjcge$27753$2@dont-email.me> <vvjeqf$28555$1@dont-email.me> <vvjffg$28g5i$1@dont-email.me> <875xiaejzg.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com> <vvjgt1$28g5i$5@dont-email.me> <vvkg76$2m36t$5@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 09 May 2025 17:59:18 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="b8226b0a928845ead4a9adb4b3b34c7d"; logging-data="3003413"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18N+jeyPGuc2ODFdvAJbvGc" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:iW6q+FqTiXk/gPx5tTIpliOWC/4= X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250509-2, 5/9/2025), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <vvkg76$2m36t$5@dont-email.me> Bytes: 3542 On 5/9/2025 4:00 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: > Op 09.mei.2025 om 02:05 schreef olcott: >> On 5/8/2025 6:54 PM, Keith Thompson wrote: >>> olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> writes: >>>> On 5/8/2025 6:30 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote: >>>>> On 08/05/2025 23:50, olcott wrote: >>> [...] >>>>>> If you are a competent C programmer >>>>> Keith Thompson is a highly-respected and very competent C >>>>> programmer. >>>> >>>> *Then he is just who I need* >>> >>> No, what you need is someone who is an expert in mathematical logic >>> (I am not) who can explain to you, in terms you can understand and >>> accept, where you've gone wrong. Some expertise in C could also >>> be helpful. >>> >> >> The key gap in my proof is that none of the comp.sci >> people seems to have a slight clue about simple C >> programming. >> >> void DDD() >> { >> HHH(DDD); >> return; >> } >> >> *THIS IS THE C PART THAT NO ONE HERE UNDERSTANDS* >> DDD correctly simulated by HHH cannot possibly >> reach its own "return" instruction. > > The HHH that you propose and is included in DDD does halt. But it is > known that this HHH prematurely aborts which makes it impossible for the > simulation to reach the reachable 'return'. HHH simply ignores the > conditional abort in the simulation. > void DDD() { HHH(DDD); return; } When 1 or more statements of DDD are correctly simulated by HHH then this correctly simulated DDD cannot possibly reach its own “return statement”. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer