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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) --- REFUTES INCORRECT REQUIREMENTS Date: Fri, 9 May 2025 17:49:25 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 32 Message-ID: <vvlbml$2tsdn$1@dont-email.me> References: <vvla98$2rl0l$19@dont-email.me> <vvlajf$2sicg$2@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 09 May 2025 18:49:25 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="a0995f1472274ef187d550b31df0c8ef"; logging-data="3076535"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+TKdtI9hlSPpi1RclarpcS5a0VlrBuSAI=" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/91.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.18.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:vGaP/bvypGnxh7qckAbcyrFJWlI= In-Reply-To: <vvlajf$2sicg$2@dont-email.me> Bytes: 2400 On 09/05/2025 17:30, Richard Heathfield wrote: > On 09/05/2025 17:25, olcott wrote: >> void DDD() >> { >> �� HHH(DDD); >> �� return; >> } >> >> When 1 or more statements of DDD are correctly >> simulated by HHH then this correctly simulated >> DDD cannot possibly reach its own �return statement�. >> (final halt state) > > You beg the question. > > You have not shown that HHH correctly simulates anything. > > Mike Terry, on the other hand, has shown that it fails to correctly simulate DDD. > It may correctly /partially/ simulate DDD, in the sense of correctly simulating the sequence of instructions of DDD until it decides to stop simulating. Well, in practice there is the complication that PO's code has design bugs meaning that what PO calls a simulation is NOT actually valid, due to misuse of global variables in his code! To be valid, the sequence of instructions simulated must match the instructions of the computation being simulated (i.e. match the instruction sequence of the independently executed computation. Obviously a partial simulation (even a valid one) not reaching the halt state does not mean that the computation being simulated never halts. Mike.