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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Date: Fri, 9 May 2025 21:47:45 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 60 Message-ID: <vvmeoi$3a34p$4@dont-email.me> References: <vv97ft$3fg66$1@dont-email.me> <vvguot$1auqp$3@dont-email.me> <vvh0t2$1b939$1@dont-email.me> <vvhap5$1hp80$1@dont-email.me> <vvhf20$1ihs9$1@dont-email.me> <vvhfnd$1hvei$3@dont-email.me> <vvil99$1ugd5$1@dont-email.me> <vvinvp$1vglb$1@dont-email.me> <vviv75$222r6$1@dont-email.me> <vvj1fp$22a62$1@dont-email.me> <vvj2j6$23gk7$1@dont-email.me> <as9TP.251456$lZjd.93653@fx05.ams4> <87msbmeo3b.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com> <vvjcge$27753$2@dont-email.me> <87a57mek8r.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com> <vvjgh7$28g5i$4@dont-email.me> <87seled0zy.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com> <vvjobj$28g5i$11@dont-email.me> <87zffmbeyt.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com> <vvm1ih$33907$1@dont-email.me> <vvm6ku$34h6f$2@dont-email.me> <vvm7tl$34mm4$2@dont-email.me> <vvm9bv$34h6f$3@dont-email.me> <vvma5d$34vcu$2@dont-email.me> <vvmabo$34h6g$3@dont-email.me> <vvmb9d$35ds5$2@dont-email.me> <vvmcsj$34h6g$4@dont-email.me> <vvmd54$39lof$2@dont-email.me> <55e8616cd348689d709970345f2f012d41a9396c@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 10 May 2025 04:47:46 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="7be348abb5bc2ec0a70724586a3ca680"; logging-data="3476633"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/ydA4mmi1dgKvphsF9vP4r" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:sUNTAYT+FEy1Pn25d0Pz3eaY/z0= In-Reply-To: <55e8616cd348689d709970345f2f012d41a9396c@i2pn2.org> X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250509-6, 5/9/2025), Outbound message Content-Language: en-US On 5/9/2025 9:39 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 5/9/25 10:20 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 5/9/2025 9:15 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote: >>> On 10/05/2025 02:48, olcott wrote: >>>> On 5/9/2025 8:32 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote: >>>>> On 10/05/2025 02:29, olcott wrote: >>>>>> On 5/9/2025 8:15 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote: >>>>>>> On 10/05/2025 01:51, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>> On 5/9/2025 7:29 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 10/05/2025 00:02, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Correctly emulating one or more instructions <is> >>>>>>>>>> the correct emulation of 1 or more instructions >>>>>>>>>> of DD. This is a truism. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> No, it's not. Correct emulation would entail accurately >>>>>>>>> simulating the whole of DDD's behaviour. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It is stupidly wrong to require the complete >>>>>>>> emulation of a non-terminating input. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It is touchingly naive to think you can persuade people to accept >>>>>>> incomplete emulation as 'correct'. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> If one instruction is emulated correctly >>>>>> then is is dishonest to say that zero >>>>>> instructions were emulated correctly. >>>>> >>>>> Which instruction do you think is emulated correctly? >>> >>>> _DDD() >>>> [00002172] 55 push ebp ; housekeeping >>>> [00002173] 8bec mov ebp,esp ; housekeeping >>>> [00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD >>>> [0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD) >>> >>> >>> Assumes facts not in evidence. Your HHH function is in a translation >>> unit that contains a syntax error. >>> >> >> It is a truism that when DDD is emulated by HHH >> according to the rules of the x86 language that >> the first four instructions of DDD would be emulated >> and then HHH would also be required to emulate >> itself emulating DDD. >> > > Nope, because by your definitions HHH can not correctly emulate that > DDD, as it doesn't include the code for the HHH that it calls, DDD are HHH are on the same memory space I told you this 50 times DDD are HHH are on the same memory space I told you this 50 times DDD are HHH are on the same memory space I told you this 50 times DDD are HHH are on the same memory space I told you this 50 times DDD are HHH are on the same memory space I told you this 50 times -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer