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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Primum Sapienti <invalide@invalid.invalid> Newsgroups: sci.anthropology.paleo Subject: Repost Re: Earth's magnetic pole shift: Sunscreen, clothes, caves may have helped Homo sapiens survive 41kya Date: Fri, 9 May 2025 22:58:28 -0600 Organization: sum Lines: 41 Message-ID: <vvmmdk$3bpm7$4@dont-email.me> References: <vtvdeq$pcc5$1@dont-email.me> <vu57sp$22182$1@dont-email.me> <vv9gao$3ngk5$1@dont-email.me> <vva0hg$64ul$1@dont-email.me> <vvepu4$mu70$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sat, 10 May 2025 06:58:29 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="fca20dc333d3f1f29f363d57cf3da368"; logging-data="3532487"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19y9bXAXEkQGUWzmiIpMXKz" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/91.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.18.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:NKca+Z1PWaV2yOYS9oIcgo/tP/A= In-Reply-To: <vvepu4$mu70$1@dont-email.me> repost from May 6 Mikko wrote: > On 2025-05-05 04:54:48 +0000, Primum Sapienti said: > >> Mikko wrote: >> I'm in the middle of Steven LeBlanc's "Constant >> Battles", pub 2003. Dated a bit, I suppose, but >> does have a lot of useful odds and ends. (The >> relating of Eskimo warfare was something else, >> they were willing to spend 10 or more days >> traveling to kill another group.) >> >> The migrants may well have had a tech edge in a >> time of changing climate etc as well as no >> compunctions about knocking off the current >> tenants. > > One important point to consider is that the first Eoropean Homo > sapiens sapiens did not survive. Whether the last of them died > at the same time or for the same cause is not clear. Diseases > of the immmigrants from Asia is a good guess for both. Disease can/could certainly be a factor. LeBlanc makes the observation that populations tended to be too small and dispersed (i.e., low density) such that anything like an epidemic was not likely. So postulating disease impacts like that may not be tenable without better evidence. He (LeBlanc)relates that archaeological and historical evidence show warfare/fighting death rates were like 25% of adult males over their adult lives and up to 5% of women (not to mention children). He appears to be citing Keeley's 1996 "War Before Civilization". (that's always been on my list-to-get but never very high - til now ;) Losses like that would definitely have an impact.