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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Date: Sun, 11 May 2025 13:12:14 +0100 Organization: Fix this later Lines: 48 Message-ID: <vvq46u$640a$1@dont-email.me> References: <vv97ft$3fg66$1@dont-email.me> <vvjcge$27753$2@dont-email.me> <vvjeqf$28555$1@dont-email.me> <vvjffg$28g5i$1@dont-email.me> <875xiaejzg.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com> <vvjgt1$28g5i$5@dont-email.me> <87jz6qczja.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com> <vvjotc$28g5i$12@dont-email.me> <vvnh9u$3hd96$1@raubtier-asyl.eternal-september.org> <vvno4e$3in62$2@dont-email.me> <vvo71c$rlt$1@news.muc.de> <PlNTP.270466$lZjd.128570@fx05.ams4> <vvobmm$15td$1@news.muc.de> <1vOTP.290843$6Qab.147432@fx07.ams4> <vvpufa$12tn$1@news.muc.de> <U70UP.229895$_Npd.117771@fx01.ams4> <vvq3b1$6409$1@dont-email.me> <Ir0UP.521215$wBt6.53485@fx15.ams4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sun, 11 May 2025 14:12:15 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="023cae9dc0d2c2b383f3d86e34fa8cd9"; logging-data="200714"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+mOJk2gCnPcCCnxJlpVtL9I9LRM4cqpskMXogS7Uhj4A==" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:JUVyPTYG9YHPKg6WbPEvBI5Y/vI= In-Reply-To: <Ir0UP.521215$wBt6.53485@fx15.ams4> Content-Language: en-GB Bytes: 3138 On 11/05/2025 13:09, Mr Flibble wrote: > On Sun, 11 May 2025 12:57:21 +0100, Richard Heathfield wrote: > >> On 11/05/2025 12:48, Mr Flibble wrote: >>> On Sun, 11 May 2025 10:34:18 +0000, Alan Mackenzie wrote: >>> >>>> Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> wrote: >> >> <snip> >> >>>>> Nope, I have formally defined the error that doesn't contradict >>>>> Peter's work. >>>> >>>> You don't even understand what "formally" means. >>> >>> Sure I do. I can formally define it again for you if you like? Here is >>> the formal definition: >>> >>> What constitutes halting problem pathological input: >>> >>> Input that would cause infinite recursion when using a decider of the >>> simulating kind. >> >> When executed directly, such an input would either halt or not, >> category error or no. >> >> Which is it? > > Peter's view: > * direct execution results in infinite recursion which is treated as non- > halting. > > Flibble's view: > * direct execution results in manifestation of the category error: which > in practice means a crash in the form of a stack fault (debatable halting > equivalance) for a decider with finite resources (stack space) or non- > halting for a decider with infinitie resources (stack space). So what you're saying is that the pair of you can't decide. QED. -- Richard Heathfield Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk "Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999 Sig line 4 vacant - apply within