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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3A_Flibble=E2=80=99s_Leap=3A_Why_Behavioral_Divergence?= =?UTF-8?Q?_Implies_a_Type_Distinction_in_the_Halting_Problem?= Date: Sun, 11 May 2025 18:31:46 +0100 Organization: Fix this later Lines: 49 Message-ID: <vvqmu2$g8ck$6@dont-email.me> References: <vv1UP.77894$JJT6.54808@fx16.ams4> <vvqd4u$g8a1$1@dont-email.me> <7N2UP.527443$wBt6.464256@fx15.ams4> <vvqfgq$gmmk$1@dont-email.me> <os3UP.670056$BFJ.223954@fx13.ams4> <vvqgpt$gmmk$4@dont-email.me> <aG3UP.366972$wBVe.321504@fx06.ams4> <vvqhaj$gldn$6@dont-email.me> <bV3UP.101097$0ia.1168@fx11.ams4> <vvqkff$gldn$13@dont-email.me> <WH4UP.229898$_Npd.172992@fx01.ams4> <vvqm03$i3hn$1@dont-email.me> <g55UP.688178$4AM6.545580@fx17.ams4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sun, 11 May 2025 19:31:46 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="023cae9dc0d2c2b383f3d86e34fa8cd9"; logging-data="532884"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19UbDbJ8eFJ3hIUE+lmTSgY2W1K/eaMg9vRON/O4LvnSw==" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:FykwOFqx1pm5n+olf5bX1gQYNrI= Content-Language: en-GB In-Reply-To: <g55UP.688178$4AM6.545580@fx17.ams4> Bytes: 2738 On 11/05/2025 18:26, Mr Flibble wrote: > On Sun, 11 May 2025 18:15:47 +0100, Richard Heathfield wrote: > >> On 11/05/2025 17:59, Mr Flibble wrote: >>> it is impossible to obtain a halting result >> >> >> That sure looks like a concession that it's impossible to devise an >> algorithm that will produce a halting result. >> >> Well done. We got you there in the end. > > No. Well, yyeess, actually. > The reason why it is impossible Hold that thought. Never mind the reason for now. We can come to that another time. "...it is impossible..." Precisely. QED^3. > to obtain a halting result for > pathological input is not the reason proposed by Turing (i.e. self- > referential diagonalization), blah blah blah yeah yeah > it is impossible to obtain a halting result So it's undecidable, then? Yeah, I spotted that too. > for pathological input because the self-referential conflation of decider > and input is a category error that prevents us from performing > diagonalization. more blah blah blah yeah yeah -- Richard Heathfield Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk "Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999 Sig line 4 vacant - apply within