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Subject: Re: silca and Tariffs
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On 5/12/2025 4:44 AM, zen cycle wrote:
> On 5/11/2025 7:30 PM, cyclintom wrote:
>> On Sun Apr 27 19:35:44 2025 Shadow  wrote:
>>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 15:16:07 -0500, AMuzi 
>>> <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4/27/2025 2:39 PM, Shadow wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 14:06:50 -0500, AMuzi 
>>>>> <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Goes both ways.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brasil is a highly efficient producer of sugar, which is
>>>>>> virtually impossible to import in to USA.  For the 
>>>>>> past 120
>>>>>> years across every administration.
>>>>>
>>>>>     Brazil uses slave labour. Hard to compete with that
>>>>> price-wise. The sugar cane industry has become an 
>>>>> oligopoly. The "big
>>>>> corps" rent land from farmers, sometimes refuse to pay 
>>>>> what they
>>>>> promised and when they give the land back nothing will 
>>>>> grow on it.
>>>>> Sugar cane depletes the land, rather like soy. In three 
>>>>> years it's
>>>>> sand.
>>>>>
>>>>>     There's a reason why the Chinese government  will 
>>>>> not allow
>>>>> planting soy in most of China..... they plan thinking 
>>>>> decades in the
>>>>> future.
>>>>>
>>>>>      I heard that Australia's fully-automated sugar- 
>>>>> cane farms are
>>>>> far more efficient than Brazil's labour-heavy methods. 
>>>>> Machines don't
>>>>> have to feed their children or invest in bettering 
>>>>> their education.
>>>>> They're cheaper than slaves....
>>>>>     []'s
>>>>
>>>> WTF?  And neither Dilma nor Lula nor anyone else interfered
>>>> with or even addressed slavery as a domestic political 
>>>> issue??
>>>
>>>     Presidents cannot make laws, if either Lula or Dilma 
>>> tried to
>>> they would be impeached in a heartbeat.. Slavery is 
>>> illegal here. But
>>> the justice system still from the far right 1964 US- 
>>> Brazilian Military
>>> coup era. Handed down father to son. It's extremely rare 
>>> for someone
>>> "outside" to become a judge.
>>>     I don't think a slave master has ever been convicted 
>>> to jail.
>>> Fines or bribes, yes, happens all the time.
>>>
>>> <https://www.cnj.jus.br/programas-e-acoes/trabalho- 
>>> escravo-e-trafico-de-pessoas/trabalho-escravo/>
>>>
>>>     (the law and the fact that nothing is being done. 
>>> That page is
>>> an official one from our "justice" department)
>>>
>>>     15% of all our coffee is harvested by slaves. They 
>>> haven't
>>> invented machines that can do that automatically. Nestle, 
>>> JAB and
>>> Starbucks, the 3 biggest "players" just turn a blind eye.
>>>     Friboi (JBS S.A.)was recently fined for handcuffing 
>>> workers in
>>> the meat industry so they wouldn't run away. They charge 
>>> more for food
>>> than they pay in salaries, so the worker can never 
>>> resign, not until
>>> he pays his "debts". Justice pardoned them when they said 
>>> that the
>>> workers were "outsourced" and they had no idea it was 
>>> happening. LOL.
>>>
>>>     And of course, there are no unions in the 
>>> agricultural area,
>>> so there is no-one to defend the slaves.
>>>
>>>     The mechanical industry has it much better. Low 
>>> salaries, but
>>> the unions insure  the workers get pensions, medical 
>>> care, sick pay,
>>> accident insurance and holidays.
>>>     []'s
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> You seem to be using "right" and "left" opposite than we 
>> do here. Abraham Lincoln caused the civil war to END 
>> slavery and he was a Republican. The left, "Democrats" 
>> were the slaveholders
> 
> Operative word - "was". The slave states were dominated by 
> the democrat party up until the passage of the Civil Rights 
> Act. Now the slave states are dominated by republicans. If 
> you're going to attempt to give a non-American a lesson in 
> American history, you'd do well to not lie by omissions.
> 

Complex thought, that.

The major civil rights legislation of the late 1950s through 
1960s was driven by Republicans in Congress, notably Mr 
Dirksen, despite an epic Democrat Party filibuster and other 
impedimenta.  There were powerful passionate Members on both 
sides in both parties, although decisively more Republicans 
to secure passage.

-- 
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971