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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Halting Problem: How my refutation differs to Peter Olcott's Date: Mon, 12 May 2025 09:32:54 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 44 Message-ID: <vvt0qm$14pca$2@dont-email.me> References: <BPOTP.66191$v0S.4884@fx14.ams4> <3bc01824e1d95a30b9784942a8b7ef3bc9ec8ff8@i2pn2.org> <UIRTP.228282$_Npd.219273@fx01.ams4> <1cecbb270dfb6a7c37ce23eb4b722f1b85c0e7d3@i2pn2.org> <Fb0UP.77777$JJT6.37000@fx16.ams4> <vvs868$vp30$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Mon, 12 May 2025 16:32:55 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="15cac720ddbb61c7f6586fe023932af8"; logging-data="1205642"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/pU0xLBZ0oF7Ls+JtjA4I2" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:xcz1dKCVkb9PEg26HLgYcnhS3yM= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <vvs868$vp30$1@dont-email.me> X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250512-2, 5/12/2025), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Bytes: 3319 On 5/12/2025 2:32 AM, Mikko wrote: > On 2025-05-11 11:52:05 +0000, Mr Flibble said: > >> On Sun, 11 May 2025 11:49:50 +0000, joes wrote: >> >>> Am Sat, 10 May 2025 23:56:36 +0000 schrieb Mr Flibble: >>>> On Sat, 10 May 2025 18:40:53 -0400, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>> On 5/10/25 4:38 PM, Mr Flibble wrote: >>> >>>>>> How my refutation differs to Peter's: >>>>>> * Peter refutes the halting problem based on pathological input >>>>>> manifesting in a simulating halt decider as infinite recursion, this >>>>>> being treated as non-halting. >>>>>> * Flibble refutes the halting problem based on patholgical input >>>>>> manifesting as decider/input self-referencial conflation, resulting >>>>>> in the contradiction at the heart of the halting problem being a >>>>>> category (type) error, i.e. ill-formed. >>>>>> These two refutations are related but not exactly the same. >>>>> >>>>> And the problem is that you use incorrect categories. >>>>> The decider needs to be of the category "Program". >>>>> The input also needs to be of the category "Program", but provided via >>>>> a representation. The act of representation lets us convert items of >>>>> category Program to the category of Finite String which can be an >>>>> input. >>>> >>>> Those two categories you have identified are different hence the >>>> category error. >>> No. HHH has a string representation, like every program. >> >> No. Conflating a program with a string representation of the same program >> in the manner of a self-referential dependency is a category (type) >> error. > > There are several meanings for the word "program" but a common one is a > string that specifies what shall happen when the program is executed. > One possible string representation of that string is the string itself. > A better name is computational unit. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer