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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Date: Mon, 12 May 2025 11:19:50 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 35 Message-ID: <vvt736$14pca$16@dont-email.me> References: <vv97ft$3fg66$1@dont-email.me> <vvo1ni$3l14p$1@dont-email.me> <c09f468e8485c22150cedb12a9010b401f292054.camel@gmail.com> <vvo58a$3lnkd$1@dont-email.me> <dc76ef3215a83481dfddc40c466bb9ebc0e77341.camel@gmail.com> <vvo709$3m1oc$1@dont-email.me> <b503e969e23dd1b2a6201ba78c82c9ff7906eaae.camel@gmail.com> <vvo9e8$3m1oc$3@dont-email.me> <b9cec56c1d257e09fdf8043f02f123a4243de6e1.camel@gmail.com> <vvoife$3ofmu$1@dont-email.me> <09cea75db07408dc9203aca3fb74408ad3a095b4.camel@gmail.com> <vvoubl$3qtsi$1@dont-email.me> <bc4fb153ff914177dba706ce6e0dfb467e2126eb.camel@gmail.com> <vvp04i$3r5li$3@dont-email.me> <853816e160c7b3fe75c71f0728e72989d9fb2e41.camel@gmail.com> <vvp1fm$3r5li$4@dont-email.me> <b049926b61baa5d69d11655a8af06e537b7acd71.camel@gmail.com> <vvqga9$gldn$3@dont-email.me> <41e08841caf0d628beb5105bc78531a412eea440.camel@gmail.com> <vvql3p$gldn$15@dont-email.me> <vvsa1a$104j2$1@dont-email.me> <vvt2lo$14pca$5@dont-email.me> <vvt2pf$15ceh$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 12 May 2025 18:19:51 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="15cac720ddbb61c7f6586fe023932af8"; logging-data="1205642"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18Lkv5j/CzLAYl2Fa1lbnfe" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:9F1jH3fcjFuFS4/jjwdPfp+kdD8= X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250512-4, 5/12/2025), Outbound message In-Reply-To: <vvt2pf$15ceh$1@dont-email.me> Bytes: 3416 On 5/12/2025 10:06 AM, dbush wrote: > On 5/12/2025 11:04 AM, olcott wrote: >> Termination analyzers compute the mapping from their >> inputs to the behavior that these inputs actually specify. > > False. They compute the mapping from their input to the behavior of the > algorithm described by the input when executed directly, as per the > requirements: > That is easily proven stupidly wrong. If HHH could see that the direct execution of DDD() does halt because HHH spots the repeating pattern and aborts this simulation and HHH did not abort on this basis then DDD() never halts, proving that HHH was correct to abort. Most people here seem to be complete morons about hypothetical possibilities. <MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022> If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D until H correctly determines that its simulated D *would never stop running unless aborted* then H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report that D specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations. </MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022> -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer