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From: AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org>
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On 5/12/2025 10:20 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
> On 5/12/2025 8:55 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 5/12/2025 4:44 AM, zen cycle wrote:
>>> On 5/11/2025 7:30 PM, cyclintom wrote:
>>>> On Sun Apr 27 19:35:44 2025 Shadow  wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 15:16:07 -0500, AMuzi 
>>>>> <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/27/2025 2:39 PM, Shadow wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 14:06:50 -0500, AMuzi 
>>>>>>> <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Goes both ways.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brasil is a highly efficient producer of sugar, 
>>>>>>>> which is
>>>>>>>> virtually impossible to import in to USA.  For the 
>>>>>>>> past 120
>>>>>>>> years across every administration.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Brazil uses slave labour. Hard to compete with that
>>>>>>> price-wise. The sugar cane industry has become an 
>>>>>>> oligopoly. The "big
>>>>>>> corps" rent land from farmers, sometimes refuse to 
>>>>>>> pay what they
>>>>>>> promised and when they give the land back nothing 
>>>>>>> will grow on it.
>>>>>>> Sugar cane depletes the land, rather like soy. In 
>>>>>>> three years it's
>>>>>>> sand.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     There's a reason why the Chinese government  will 
>>>>>>> not allow
>>>>>>> planting soy in most of China..... they plan thinking 
>>>>>>> decades in the
>>>>>>> future.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      I heard that Australia's fully-automated sugar- 
>>>>>>> cane farms are
>>>>>>> far more efficient than Brazil's labour-heavy 
>>>>>>> methods. Machines don't
>>>>>>> have to feed their children or invest in bettering 
>>>>>>> their education.
>>>>>>> They're cheaper than slaves....
>>>>>>>     []'s
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WTF?  And neither Dilma nor Lula nor anyone else 
>>>>>> interfered
>>>>>> with or even addressed slavery as a domestic political 
>>>>>> issue??
>>>>>
>>>>>     Presidents cannot make laws, if either Lula or 
>>>>> Dilma tried to
>>>>> they would be impeached in a heartbeat.. Slavery is 
>>>>> illegal here. But
>>>>> the justice system still from the far right 1964 US- 
>>>>> Brazilian Military
>>>>> coup era. Handed down father to son. It's extremely 
>>>>> rare for someone
>>>>> "outside" to become a judge.
>>>>>     I don't think a slave master has ever been 
>>>>> convicted to jail.
>>>>> Fines or bribes, yes, happens all the time.
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.cnj.jus.br/programas-e-acoes/trabalho- 
>>>>> escravo-e- trafico-de-pessoas/trabalho-escravo/>
>>>>>
>>>>>     (the law and the fact that nothing is being done. 
>>>>> That page is
>>>>> an official one from our "justice" department)
>>>>>
>>>>>     15% of all our coffee is harvested by slaves. They 
>>>>> haven't
>>>>> invented machines that can do that automatically. 
>>>>> Nestle, JAB and
>>>>> Starbucks, the 3 biggest "players" just turn a blind eye.
>>>>>     Friboi (JBS S.A.)was recently fined for handcuffing 
>>>>> workers in
>>>>> the meat industry so they wouldn't run away. They 
>>>>> charge more for food
>>>>> than they pay in salaries, so the worker can never 
>>>>> resign, not until
>>>>> he pays his "debts". Justice pardoned them when they 
>>>>> said that the
>>>>> workers were "outsourced" and they had no idea it was 
>>>>> happening. LOL.
>>>>>
>>>>>     And of course, there are no unions in the 
>>>>> agricultural area,
>>>>> so there is no-one to defend the slaves.
>>>>>
>>>>>     The mechanical industry has it much better. Low 
>>>>> salaries, but
>>>>> the unions insure  the workers get pensions, medical 
>>>>> care, sick pay,
>>>>> accident insurance and holidays.
>>>>>     []'s
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You seem to be using "right" and "left" opposite than we 
>>>> do here. Abraham Lincoln caused the civil war to END 
>>>> slavery and he was a Republican. The left, "Democrats" 
>>>> were the slaveholders
>>>
>>> Operative word - "was". The slave states were dominated 
>>> by the democrat party up until the passage of the Civil 
>>> Rights Act. Now the slave states are dominated by 
>>> republicans. If you're going to attempt to give a non- 
>>> American a lesson in American history, you'd do well to 
>>> not lie by omissions.
>>>
>>
>> Complex thought, that.
>>
>> The major civil rights legislation of the late 1950s 
>> through 1960s was driven by Republicans in Congress, 
>> notably Mr Dirksen, despite an epic Democrat Party 
>> filibuster and other impedimenta.  There were powerful 
>> passionate Members on both sides in both parties, although 
>> decisively more Republicans to secure passage.
> 
> Right, and in those days republicans were the dominant party 
> in the former non-slave states. The roles of the democrat 
> and republican parties have largely reversed between the end 
> of the civil war and the passage of the civil rights act. 
> Claiming "Lincoln caused the civil war to END slavery and he 
> was a Republican. The left, "Democrats" were the 
> slaveholders" leaves a lot of the conversation.
> 
> 
>>
> 
> 

Not really.  Democrats, as is typical, lost seats in 1962 
but not in the solidly Dixiecrat South. Check the map:

https://united-states-government-simulation.fandom.com/wiki/1962_United_States_Senate_Elections

-- 
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971