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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Try and prove that DDD correctly emulated by HHH reaches its final halt state Date: Mon, 12 May 2025 11:36:49 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 45 Message-ID: <vvt831$14pca$19@dont-email.me> References: <vvma0u$34vcu$1@dont-email.me> <vvmvu6$3dt3n$1@dont-email.me> <vvnrkv$3in62$7@dont-email.me> <vvpq4q$446u$1@dont-email.me> <vvqiu1$gldn$8@dont-email.me> <vvs8k1$vr8s$1@dont-email.me> <vvt10i$14pca$3@dont-email.me> <vvt1b3$13l2b$3@dont-email.me> <vvt5jv$14pca$12@dont-email.me> <vvt7lt$15hku$2@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Mon, 12 May 2025 18:36:50 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="15cac720ddbb61c7f6586fe023932af8"; logging-data="1205642"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+KsYWlK70NHmSb0CT93SA4" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:RBIbwFR+vYFGhNM4YU/j+V3fWOU= In-Reply-To: <vvt7lt$15hku$2@dont-email.me> X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250512-4, 5/12/2025), Outbound message Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus-Status: Clean On 5/12/2025 11:29 AM, Richard Heathfield wrote: > On 12/05/2025 16:54, olcott wrote: >> On 5/12/2025 9:41 AM, Richard Heathfield wrote: >>> On 12/05/2025 15:36, olcott wrote: >>> >>> <snip> >>> >>>> It is nutty to require a simulating termination >>>> analyzer to simulate a non-terminating input forever. >>> >>> I have to agree with you here. In fact, you've put your finger on the >>> precise reason that it's nutty to try to analyse a program's >>> termination behaviour by simulating it. >>> >> >> Unless like every competent programmer >> HHH can spot the repeating pattern of DDD >> correctly emulated by HHH in N steps of >> correct emulation. > > You and I have very different ideas of 'correctness'. I get the idea > that you're fairly proud of your Halt7/utmx86/whatever system. To me, it > just looks like a bugfest, Because you entirely ignore the gist of my whole proof and instead diligently seek some tiny irrelevant detail to nit pick at. _DDD() [00002172] 55 push ebp ; housekeeping [00002173] 8bec mov ebp,esp ; housekeeping [00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD [0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD) [0000217f] 83c404 add esp,+04 [00002182] 5d pop ebp [00002183] c3 ret Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183] For the infinite set of x86 emulators at machine address 000015d2 that correctly emulate N steps of DDD no DDD ever halts. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer