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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Date: Mon, 12 May 2025 14:19:03 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 54 Message-ID: <vvte2m$15ceh$17@dont-email.me> References: <vv97ft$3fg66$1@dont-email.me> <b503e969e23dd1b2a6201ba78c82c9ff7906eaae.camel@gmail.com> <vvo9e8$3m1oc$3@dont-email.me> <b9cec56c1d257e09fdf8043f02f123a4243de6e1.camel@gmail.com> <vvoife$3ofmu$1@dont-email.me> <09cea75db07408dc9203aca3fb74408ad3a095b4.camel@gmail.com> <vvoubl$3qtsi$1@dont-email.me> <bc4fb153ff914177dba706ce6e0dfb467e2126eb.camel@gmail.com> <vvp04i$3r5li$3@dont-email.me> <853816e160c7b3fe75c71f0728e72989d9fb2e41.camel@gmail.com> <vvp1fm$3r5li$4@dont-email.me> <b049926b61baa5d69d11655a8af06e537b7acd71.camel@gmail.com> <vvqga9$gldn$3@dont-email.me> <41e08841caf0d628beb5105bc78531a412eea440.camel@gmail.com> <vvql3p$gldn$15@dont-email.me> <vvsa1a$104j2$1@dont-email.me> <vvt2lo$14pca$5@dont-email.me> <vvt2pf$15ceh$1@dont-email.me> <vvt736$14pca$16@dont-email.me> <vvt8bv$15ceh$9@dont-email.me> <vvt949$14pca$22@dont-email.me> <vvt9sb$15ceh$13@dont-email.me> <vvtae1$14pca$24@dont-email.me> <vvtb81$15ceh$15@dont-email.me> <vvtct0$14pca$28@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 12 May 2025 20:19:02 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="d587ba6f088c47ed8fd2ad250ebfd646"; logging-data="1225169"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18C0XjdTkZyC7ScYZ0xBMJJ" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:0Hln+Pcm8SW99IC6oZG+d0cMMdg= In-Reply-To: <vvtct0$14pca$28@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3816 On 5/12/2025 1:58 PM, olcott wrote: > On 5/12/2025 12:30 PM, dbush wrote: >> On 5/12/2025 1:16 PM, olcott wrote: >>> On 5/12/2025 12:07 PM, dbush wrote: >>>> On 5/12/2025 12:54 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>> On 5/12/2025 11:41 AM, dbush wrote: >>>>>> On 5/12/2025 12:19 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>> On 5/12/2025 10:06 AM, dbush wrote: >>>>>>>> On 5/12/2025 11:04 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>> Termination analyzers compute the mapping from their >>>>>>>>> inputs to the behavior that these inputs actually specify. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> False. They compute the mapping from their input to the >>>>>>>> behavior of the algorithm described by the input when executed >>>>>>>> directly, as per the requirements: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That is easily proven stupidly wrong. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Category error. Definitions are not proven: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Definitions that contradict other definitions are refuted. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> And you haven't shown a conflict with the definition of a solution >>>> to the halting problem: >>>> >>> >>> That you keep ignoring it its not >>> a matter of me never providing it. >>> >> >> In other words, you agree that no algorithm exists that can compute >> the following mapping: >> > > Likewise no algorithm exists that can compute > the square root of a dead rabbit. And as was said before: On 5/5/2025 5:39 PM, olcott wrote: > On 5/5/2025 4:31 PM, dbush wrote: >> Strawman. The square root of a dead rabbit does not exist, but the >> question of whether any arbitrary algorithm X with input Y halts when >> executed directly has a correct answer in all cases. >> > > It has a correct answer that cannot ever be computed Where you *explicitly* agreed that the Linz halting theorem is correct.