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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Turing Machine computable functions apply finite string transformations to inputs Date: Tue, 13 May 2025 11:01:00 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 52 Message-ID: <vvv8pc$1mff2$2@dont-email.me> References: <vu6lnf$39fls$2@dont-email.me> <vua9oi$2lub6$1@dont-email.me> <vudkah$1ona3$1@dont-email.me> <vufi61$3k099$1@dont-email.me> <vugddv$b21g$2@dont-email.me> <0a2eeee6cb4b6a737f6391c963386745a09c8a01@i2pn2.org> <vugvr3$pke9$8@dont-email.me> <4818688e0354f32267e3a5f3c60846ae7956bed2@i2pn2.org> <vuj18i$2lf64$6@dont-email.me> <f0d3f2e87d9a4e0b0f445f60a33d529f41a4fcf7@i2pn2.org> <vuj55m$2lf64$10@dont-email.me> <vuj8h3$2uahf$3@dont-email.me> <vujfuu$35hcg$1@dont-email.me> <65dddfad4c862e6593392eaf27876759b1ed0e69@i2pn2.org> <vujlj0$3a526$1@dont-email.me> <vujln7$32om9$8@dont-email.me> <vujmmm$3a526$2@dont-email.me> <vujmrj$32om9$9@dont-email.me> <vujtcb$3gsgr$1@dont-email.me> <XpecnXs9MtzKApD1nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> <QJ-dnfPs3ckgO5D1nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> <KvSdnTEjuOT7x5P1nZ2dnZfqlJydnZ2d@giganews.com> <8d96b4dc99c7e8643b6fda45f200891d920b2acd@i2pn2.org> <vun3an$2hlca$1@dont-email.me> <vun7sc$2fjjl$3@dont-email.me> <vvv74g$1mff2$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 13 May 2025 13:01:02 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="0f5a868160e7b3b323478088f8a7b392"; logging-data="1785314"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19FPOxi7KjSBJqbgVHCvwQi" User-Agent: Pan/0.162 (Hmm4; 7b109588; Linux-6.14.6) Cancel-Lock: sha1:+VimcH8CS4fVK6QSqVl5qQRD7lY= X-Face: \}2`P"_@pS86<'EM:'b.Ml}8IuMK"pV"?FReF$'c.S%u9<Q#U*4QO)$l81M`{Q/n XL'`91kd%N::LG:=*\35JS0prp\VJN^<s"b#bff@fA7]5lJA.jn,x_d%Md$,{.EZ On Tue, 13 May 2025 10:32:48 -0000 (UTC), vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote in <vvv74g$1mff2$1@dont-email.me>: > On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 07:40:12 +0100, Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> > wrote in <vun7sc$2fjjl$3@dont-email.me>: > >> On 28/04/2025 06:22, vallor wrote: >>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 21:06:29 -0400, Richard Damon >>> <richard@damon-family.org> wrote in >>> <8d96b4dc99c7e8643b6fda45f200891d920b2acd@i2pn2.org>: >>> >>>> Which is just an admission that your HHH's are not actual correct >>>> emulator, and you can only apply that statement in the version of >>>> your claims where you retract your claim about Halt7.c being part of >>>> the system (as then then is one and only one HHH), and thus your DD >>>> just is not a program unless you include HHH as part of it, and thus >>>> each is a DIFFFERENT input. >>> >>> Sorry to butt in... >>> >>> Where does one find this Halt7.c? >> >> <https://github.com/plolcott/x86utm> >> >> (If you're expecting something amazing, prepare yourself for a >> disappointment.) > > Thank you. > > Looks complicated. Appears to obfuscate the issue. So to get it to compile -m32 with its included headers, I have to do this: *DON'T DO THIS* // sudo apt install linux-libc-dev:i386 // *DON'T DO THIS* Inspecting the results of what it wanted to do (removing a lot of the system), it was apparent that it would screw up my workstation royally. So, I thought I'd try building Halt7.o 64-bit, from whose warnings it was apparent that this is hard-coded for 32-bits, including 32-bit pointers. $ egrep "warning|note" nohup.out | wc -l 74 I guess I could install a 32-bit virtual machine and try it there, but I'm not _that_ interested. -- -v