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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Date: Tue, 13 May 2025 13:01:15 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 46 Message-ID: <vvv8pr$1p49q$1@dont-email.me> References: <vv97ft$3fg66$1@dont-email.me> <vvo71c$rlt$1@news.muc.de> <PlNTP.270466$lZjd.128570@fx05.ams4> <vvochv$15td$2@news.muc.de> <vvodn5$3na6l$3@dont-email.me> <1276edeb9893085c59b02bbbd59fe2c64011736b@i2pn2.org> <vvqk4s$gldn$12@dont-email.me> <vvqln4$g8ck$5@dont-email.me> <vvrftj$ndkg$1@dont-email.me> <vvrggs$n9a9$3@dont-email.me> <aa56821a00afb05081a2f4684d4ad8fefc9b2376@i2pn2.org> <vvrkg9$o2ab$3@dont-email.me> <vvrkm9$mv2a$7@dont-email.me> <vvrli3$s6gd$1@dont-email.me> <vvrmcf$s0mk$2@dont-email.me> <vvrmr2$sas2$2@dont-email.me> <vvrmvo$s0mk$4@dont-email.me> <vvrnen$sjai$1@dont-email.me> <vvrnk9$s0mk$6@dont-email.me> <vvro10$sjai$3@dont-email.me> <vvro20$s0mk$8@dont-email.me> <vvro98$sjai$5@dont-email.me> <vvrodu$s0mk$10@dont-email.me> <vvrqco$sjai$7@dont-email.me> <vvrqhu$s0mk$11@dont-email.me> <vvrr6u$sjai$8@dont-email.me> <vvrrcr$s0mk$12@dont-email.me> <vvrse7$sjai$9@dont-email.me> <vvsn24$12qtp$1@dont-email.me> <vvt7qk$14pca$18@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Tue, 13 May 2025 13:01:15 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="0f93063a85412bb9b83b70aeb6dff6a7"; logging-data="1872186"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+Tv9N0vXolwe647r+9ocMa" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:RTRRegU86ocBM0yKe4ilH+vD66I= In-Reply-To: <vvt7qk$14pca$18@dont-email.me> Content-Language: nl, en-GB Bytes: 3726 Op 12.mei.2025 om 18:32 schreef olcott: > On 5/12/2025 6:46 AM, dbush wrote: >> On 5/12/2025 12:11 AM, olcott wrote: >>> On 5/11/2025 10:54 PM, dbush wrote: >>>> On 5/11/2025 11:50 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>> On 5/11/2025 10:39 PM, dbush wrote: >>>>>> On 5/11/2025 11:36 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You try to get away with changing the subject >>>>>>> because you know that you are lying about one >>>>>>> or more steps of DDD emulated by HHH according >>>>>>> to the rules of the x86 language >>>>>> >>>>>> It is you who are changing the subject away from DDD emulated by >>>>>> HHH (not one or more steps of DDD emulated by HHH) which you have >>>>>> admitted for the record is not correct: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I am only referring to the hypothetical infinite >>>>> set of pure x86 emulators specified below: >>>>> >>>> >>>> Each of which is processing a distinct, different input. >>>> >>>> Changing the input is not allowed. >>> >>> I am examining all the elements of a infinite set >>> such that each HHH/DDD pair has a specific fixed form. >> >> And each one has a distinctly different input, and as such the halt >> status of one is unrelated to the halt status of another. >> >> Changing the input is not allowed. > > In other words you are clueless about mathematical induction. > > It is true that when one step of DDD is emulated by HHH that > DDD does not halt. > > It is true that when N steps of DDD are emulated by HHH that > DDD does not halt. > But when enough steps of the *unchanged* DDD are emulated, then DDD does halt, as proven by HHH1. Only when you also change the input, then more steps are needed, but changing the input is not allowed.