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Subject: Re: Gyroscopes and Relativity
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From: Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2025 21:08:41 -0800
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On 02/17/2025 12:23 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> On 02/12/2025 11:52 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>> Mikko wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2025-02-06 12:03:26 +0000, Corey White said:
>>>
>>>> Precession: Why a Gyroscope Falls in a Spiral Path
>>>
>>> If you drop it in vacuum it falls straight down. If you drop it in
>>> air you may get aerodyanmic effects that depend on the shape and
>>> orientation of the gyroscope.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mikko
>>
>>
>> "down"???? there is no down in a vacuum...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>  >
>
> Furthermore there are empirical effects
> more than "Magnus Effect" that make for
> "weight" something like "heft" that make
> for simple real space contraction in effect,
> in the classical, as with regards to what
> Sedov calls "gyroscopic" effects, for example
> in footballs, bullets, and golf balls
> (and cars).
>
>
> The "Magnus Effect" is "well-known", and it's
> also "well-known" that the Magnus effect does
> not include all the empirical effect due the
> rotational, and as to why the linear and rotational
> are different with regards to kinetics and kinematics.
>
> So, "Newton's zero-eth" laws with regards to the
> vis-motrix, then vis-viva and vis-insita, make
> for that classical mechanics is a bit woefully underserved.
>
> The "severe abstraction" of the "mechanical reduction"
> is a bit let out, though it's reasonable in the linear,
> simply that all kinematics are nominally un-linear.
>
>

Classical mechanics is under-defined.