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On 2/13/25 4:07 PM, D wrote:
> 
> 
> On Thu, 13 Feb 2025, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:
> 
>> On 2/13/25 2:10 AM, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 22:58:30 -0500, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>>
>>>>     Neural networks can likely do "someone in there" even better,
>>>>     eventually. At the moment LLMs get most of the funding so NNs are a
>>>>     bit behind the curve. New/better hardware and paradigms are needed
>>>>     but WILL eventually arrive.
>>>
>>> So far there is nobody in there for CNNs. You know all the pieces and 
>>> they
>>> don't magically start breathing when you put them together. It is 
>>> true the
>>> whole system is a bit of a black box but it is describable.
>>
>>
>>  Well, I agree about "CNNs"  :-)
>>
>>  As for LLMs ... dunno. Get enough stuff going there and
>>  something very hard, maybe impossible, to distinguish
>>  from "someone in there" may be realized. Then what do
>>  we do - ruthlessly pull the plug ?
> 
> Nope. Volition, will to live, drive, goals are completely missing. The 
> best trick to find out if you're talking with an AI is to write nothing. 
> A human will write "hello" after a few seconds. The AI will just sit 
> there waiting for input.
> 
> Yes... those things can be hardcoded, but what would make me impressed 
> is when spontaneous behaviour, motivation, will to live emerges on its 
> own, without being hard coded or simulated through logic.
> 
> Then we're talking AI!

   I am not beyond thinking LLMs will eventually, maybe
   kinda soon, exhibit 'conscious', 'self-realized'
   intelligence. The complexity increases apace. At
   SOME point ..........

   But how do we KNOW and what do we DO about it ?

   Those are the HARD questions.

   NNs seem MORE likely to yield 'consciousness', but
   that's a few years along. But, once again, if we
   realize there's "someone in there" what do we DO ?

   IMHO - you make them a citizen. Let 'em run for
   office and such.