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Path: ...!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!usenet.goja.nl.eu.org!nntp.terraraq.uk!.POSTED.tunnel.sfere.anjou.terraraq.org.uk!not-for-mail From: Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: F2FS On USB Sticks? Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2025 19:40:06 +0000 Organization: terraraq NNTP server Message-ID: <wwvldsy6ull.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk> References: <vrikv7$icpd$1@dont-email.me> <4HudnTMl7rXnjED6nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com> <vrkd32$257qv$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: innmantic.terraraq.uk; posting-host="tunnel.sfere.anjou.terraraq.org.uk:172.17.207.6"; logging-data="44153"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@innmantic.terraraq.uk" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:Lx4p8vhb9WUWdBSsi5+6ZdZ7C8g= X-Face: h[Hh-7npe<<b4/eW[]sat,I3O`t8A`(ej.H!F4\8|;ih)`7{@:A~/j1}gTt4e7-n*F?.Rl^ F<\{jehn7.KrO{!7=:(@J~]<.[{>v9!1<qZY,{EJxg6?Er4Y7Ng2\Ft>Z&W?r\c.!4DXH5PWpga"ha +r0NzP?vnz:e/knOY)PI- X-Boydie: NO Bytes: 2583 Lines: 30 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes: > On 21/03/2025 07:13, c186282 wrote: >> Gparted has F2FS as a formatting option ... https://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~jhe/eurosys17-he.pdf is worth a look. > I think you are chasing Unicorns here. > > SD cards and thumb drives are designed as limited usage cheap storage, > and no amount of faffing around with filesystems is going to change > that. At some stage no matter what file system is in operation data > needs to be (over) written and blocks need to be erased to do it. You can buy high-endurance devices, aimed at industrial use cases, dashcams, etc, if you’re prepared to pay for them. > Professional level SSDs are designed to adapt the writes to extract > the best out of a limited block erase life, and that's that, and you > pay for that by using a more conservative memory cell design and > hanging a lot of smarts in front of it. > > Since there is no 1:1 correlation between the sector you think you are > writing to, and the actual physical RAM on even a thumbdrive, there is > nothing you can do at the operating system level other than caching > your writes and doing them in single big chunks in the hope that some > of them end up in the same erase page, and using the DISCARD function. For cheap devices agreed. Keep spare in stock, you’ll probably need it. -- https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/