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On 3/23/25 1:18 PM, Farley Flud wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Mar 2025 08:39:43 +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
> 
>>
>> And that is exactly the reason why having a language that prevents
>> incompetent people from writing broken code is what we need. Sadly,
>> even incompetent people write code, and if they do that in C, security
>> issues follow.
>>
> 
> The vast majority, if not all, of security "issues" apply only
> to public facing server environments.  For essentially standalone
> personal workstations these "issues" are entirely superfluous.

   Alas, to varying degrees, almost EVERYTHING is an
   out-facing environment now - from yer vast server
   cluster to yer crappy phone.

   'C', if writ properly, is just GREAT ... I remember
   when it was new. 'C', if NOT writ properly, is a
   horrible undecodable DISASTER.

   There have been various attempts to make sure code
   is writ properly. Ever done anything in Ada ? It's
   torture ... but DOES reduce common errors. Rust is
   another tact at a similar mission - and not AS much
   torture as Ada.

   I mostly write apps these days in Python, 'C' or
   Pascal. They work pretty good. However I'm also
   learning some Rust - good post-retirement bit.
   The Perlis/Wirth 'vision' still strikes me as most
   aesthetic however.

   'Go' MAY warrant some attention.

   WAS looking at 'D' ... and then wondered "why ?".
   Still always install it in any new distro though,
   but then also FORTH   :-)

> Yet GNU/Linux continues to be distributed as basically a
> on-size-fits-all product.  This is ridiculous.  My desktop
> workstation is not a server and it will never experience
> the "issues" that may plague servers.

   Yes, it does ... it's just not as obvious.

> It's well past time to fork.  There needs to be a GNU/Linux for servers
> and a GNU/Linux for personal workstations.
> 
> I use LFS/Gentoo and I am able to configure things that are appropriate
> for a workstation only.  I do not want to deal with the crap that
> applies only to servers.  Other users, however, are not so fortunate.

   "Server stuff" is always worth considering ... and really
   doesn't add much bulk. If you never use any of it, then
   who gives a shit ? For fun, use online examples and write
   some client/server code - Python or 'C'. Helps understanding.

   However for a modern heavily-used outfacing server, I'd
   still rec one of the BSDs over Linux. Not a PERFECT shield
   against Vlad/Xi but maybe as good as you can get.

   Anyway ... do NOT suggest any "split" in Linux. Keep it
   ALL there for whomever wants/needs it all of the time.

   As for the subject, Ubuntu, I stopped liking it many
   years ago as it diverged in too many ways for too
   little reason. Won't use it again. Arch, even Fedora,
   remain more "original Linux" these days. Yes yes,
   there are OpenSUSE fanatics here ... and it IS a
   great, albeit kinda 'fat', system. Got it to run
   on a Pi-4 ... a tad pokey but not TOO bad.