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Path: ...!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-4.nntp.ord.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2024 19:10:56 +0000 Subject: Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary, ordinary 'cardinoids') Newsgroups: sci.math References: <vg7cp8$9jka$1@dont-email.me> <9e03d68c-ae1e-4e2f-8004-55e6f89adb98@att.net> <cbac19e1-c2fe-47d0-84ce-88000729988c@tha.de> <96af151c-285d-4161-842a-63019cac9699@att.net> <vhti1v$1r2tr$2@dont-email.me> <a7ec6cd4-3a9b-4671-8594-56586c0ce917@att.net> <vhvbs4$28n6o$2@dont-email.me> <09f8a86f-3f75-4af8-a190-0def76c1ab82@att.net> <vhvviq$2bjrd$1@dont-email.me> <68dc9b71-cf5d-4614-94e2-8a616e722a63@att.net> <vi03un$2cv9g$1@dont-email.me> <67d9867b-2614-4475-975c-938bafca5c00@att.net> <vi1vep$2pjuo$1@dont-email.me> <a4ab640d-e482-42b0-bfb8-f3690b935ce1@att.net> <vi41rg$3cj8q$1@dont-email.me> <d124760c-9ff9-479f-b687-482c108adf68@att.net> <vi56or$3j04f$1@dont-email.me> <4a810760-86a1-44bb-a191-28f70e0b361b@att.net> <vi6uc3$3v0dn$4@dont-email.me> <b2d7ee1f-33ab-44b6-ac90-558ac2f768a7@att.net> <vi7tnf$4oqa$1@dont-email.me> <23311c1a-1487-4ee4-a822-cd965bd024a0@att.net> <e9eb6455-ed0e-43f6-9a53-61aa3757d22d@tha.de> <9e4bb6a7-9e7a-41a3-bd3b-4dbb7d2452f7@att.net> From: Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2024 11:10:58 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9e4bb6a7-9e7a-41a3-bd3b-4dbb7d2452f7@att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <xKmcnSGZq-FdjNf6nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com> Lines: 76 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-Hz76NbR7S4V4qTO5z5ZUOT/DocUDnamCoqh6reuqA2Or6WLViUbz0+ZM9JHGWQDwCRkyF3+X3LvibIV!FEnO6wZ8hdEqgAbkZfsJhNn+g7IEex5e8Hrl59SprJpR3rodhm/BQLMYjJlNdmXDdukh6PRjSMAc!fQ== X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 4228 On 11/29/2024 10:53 AM, Jim Burns wrote: > On 11/28/2024 5:39 AM, WM wrote: >> On 28.11.2024 09:34, Jim Burns wrote: > >>> Consider the sequence of claims. >>> ⎛⎛ [∀∃] for each end.segment >>> ⎜⎜ there is an infinite set such that >>> ⎜⎝ the infinite set subsets the end.segment >> >> and its predecessors! > > For each end.segment of finite.cardinals, > that end.segment and its predecessors > are not > each end.segment. > > In particular, > for each end.segment of finite.cardinals, > there is a successor.end.segment which is > not one of > that end.segment and its predecessors. > >> If each endsegment is infinite, >> then this is valid >> for each endsegment with no exception > > Yes, > if each end.segment is infinite > then each end.segment is infinite. > >> because all are >> predecessors of an infinite endsegment. > > Each end.segment of finite.cardinals > is staeckel.infinite > because > each finite.cardinal is countable.past > each finite.cardinal is not its second end > each end.segment has a non.empty subset (itself) > which is not.two.ended. > >> That means it is valid for all endsegments. >> >> The trick here is that >> the infinite set has no specified natural number (because all fall out >> at some endsegment) > > all fall out == empty > >> but it is infinite > > infinite and empty > >> without any other specification. > > A finite.cardinal is specified to be a cardinal and finite. > > There is no other specification for a finite cardinal. > > Ah, it appears the slide there, a bit, the back-slide. It reminds of the Matrix movie, "what was that?", "well I just saw a cat walk past, and then it did again", and it was like "that's bad, usually it means something got changed". You appear to have added another law of restriction of comprehension - "no other specification", I don't believe you've established criteria sufficient "uniqueness". So what are these cardinoids again you say don't exist?