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*Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
> Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>> On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 08:57:35 -0500
>> jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
> [snip]
>> 
>>> --
>> Sig sep is missing the trailing space^
>> 
>>> To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge
>>> 
>> 
>> Ignore the ignorant!
>> 
>> We're in a post-truth world now.
>> 
> There’s always Socratic irony, which is a feigned epistemic state. Phil
> Hartman as Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer.
> 
Here is Erik Simpson making that…ummm…case:

https://eriksimpson.sites.grinnell.edu/Connections/Poetry/Terms/tropes4.html

Well perhaps not our Erik Simpson.

“Socratic irony involves downplaying the speaker's authority to bring an
opponent into an argument and then, if all goes well, to reveal the greater
ignorance of the opponent. The term comes from Plato's representations of
Socrates debating a series of questioners; Socrates always begins by
emphasizing his own ignorance, but he goes on to show the problems in the
knowledge the questioner thought he possessed. A modern use of Socratic
irony is that of Phil Hartman's Cirroc, the Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer on
Saturday Night Live. To win his cases, Cirroc downplays his knowledge of
modern ways:


  Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I'm just
  a caveman. I fell on some ice and later 
  got thawed out by some of your scientists. 
  Your world frightens and confuses me! 
  Sometimes the honking horns of your 
  traffic make me want to get out of my 
  BMW and run off into the hills, or 
  wherever. Sometimes when I get a message 
  on my fax machine, I wonder: "Did 
  little demons get inside and type it?" 
  I don't know! My primitive mind 
  can't grasp these concepts. But there 
  is one thing I do know - when a man 
  like my client slips and falls 
  on a sidewalk in front of a public 
  library, then he is entitled to no 
  less than two million in compensatory 
  damages, and two million in punitive 
  damages. Thank you. 

Cirroc wins his cases by becoming a comic Socrates.”

I’ve also heard Columbo made as an example. I just love Hartman more.