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In article <vrfcti$1na48$1@dont-email.me>,
 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> On 2025-03-19 15:50:32 +0000, Anonymous said:
> > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >> On 2025-02-22, WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
> >>> On Feb 5, 2025, Your Name wrote
> >>> (in article <vo0hjg$2hn1r$1@dont-email.me>):
> >>>> 
> >>>> If you just bought a new M4 iPad or Mac, then you've been scammed.
> >>>> The new M5 chips are coming this year ... and no doubt the M6 will
> >>>> arrive next year.
> >>> 
> >>> Hmm. I bought an M2 iPad Air. It was fast enough, and, more
> >>> importantly, cheap enough, for my purposes. In a few years I’ll
> >>> probably replace it with whatever’s current then.
> >>> 
> >>> This is being typed on a 2014 Mac mini. It still works. I will
> >>> probably be replacing it with a M4 unit later this year, and will keep
> >>> that one for a decade, too.
> >>> 
> >>> I have no particular desire for new shiny, as long as current systems
> >>> work.
> >> 
> >> That's pretty common amongst Mac users. But claiming people who bought a
> >> M4 Mac was "scammed" just because Apple dared to update the Mac line
> >> with faster processors is downright loony. ?
> >> 
> >> People who bought last year's Macs weren't scammed.  Apple just
> >> refreshed some Macs, as usual.
> > 
> > Wasn’t the big complaint that Apple updated their hardware too slowly?
> 
> Only by fools blinded by the silly "megahertz myth" asnd the geek 
> brigade who always want a new shiny toy to play with.
> 
> 
> 
> > Well, that’s not the case anymore. The refresh cycle is just a little too
> > fast now,
> 
> It isn't just Apple either. Samsung, etc. all update their devices 
> every year (at least) with little more than minor tweaks and pointless 
> gimmickry.
> 
> You then have most of the software developers that enforce their apps 
> to only run on the latest and greatest hardware and operating systems.
> 
> Combined, that induces a constant enforced upgrade cycle (at least for 
> those with more money than sense) and simply ends up with huge piles of 
> perfectly good devices being thrown out as e-waste every year.
> 
> 
> 
> > but if the performance gain is worth it I say “Go for it!”
> 
> Most users' needs are extremely simple and peak performance for them 
> was reached years ago - there is a limit as to how fast you can type in 
> MS Word or move the mouse cursor. They have no real need for today's 
> massively fast devices, other than to keep it running at a decent speed 
> despite all the unnecessary gimmicks companies keep adding to them.

None of that even matters.   If you need a new phone, you get a new 
phone.  End of discussion.   

Most people don't need all of the features/capabilities of new cars 
either.  But if you need a new car, you get a new car.   End of 
discussion.

The people who get a new phone every year are the same people who get a 
new car every year.   People with lots of money.  Nothing wrong with 
that.   That's the whole point of having lots of money.  

I have an iPhone 12 Pro Max.   It still works fine.    When I need a new 
one it will be the newest biggest bestest iPhone.   Because I am not 
interested in the cheapest iPhone.   

Because I have SOME money.  Not LOTS of money.   

And there is no "e-waste".  I sell the old one on eBay.   Because there 
are LOTS of people who want an iPhone but can't afford a new one.  I 
know that because I used to be one.   And since pristine used iPhones 
(mine are always in a case so no scratches/dents at all) get top 
dollars, it helps to offset the price of the new one.  

Win-win.