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Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!usenet-fr.net!pasdenom.info!from-devjntp Message-ID: <zUD8GlQnuOBRVnFjAxr6NVukNrg@jntp> JNTP-Route: nemoweb.net JNTP-DataType: Article Subject: Re: I dare to relativists to explain local time: =?UTF-8?Q?t-vx/c=C2=B2?= References: <8dc9a6eb5ee097da5239175cb7833cd6@www.novabbs.com> <vdtik5$164ss$1@dont-email.me> <lmk58jFg9nrU8@mid.individual.net> <ve5k6q$2k162$1@dont-email.me> <dzLaWZ0eb06zkzFlQfrUrOBttwU@jntp> Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity,fr.sci.physique Followup-To: fr.sci.physique JNTP-HashClient: FbxgttxJfQtcKrUf-Kqe2whJFiE JNTP-ThreadID: 8dc9a6eb5ee097da5239175cb7833cd6@www.novabbs.com JNTP-ReferenceUserID: 4@nemoweb.net JNTP-Uri: https://www.nemoweb.net/?DataID=zUD8GlQnuOBRVnFjAxr6NVukNrg@jntp User-Agent: Nemo/1.0 JNTP-OriginServer: nemoweb.net Date: Wed, 09 Oct 24 21:08:19 +0000 Organization: Nemoweb JNTP-Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:109.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/115.0 Injection-Info: nemoweb.net; posting-host="d28efc5dfa61ace7764fada8a13858e8bd40f34d"; logging-data="2024-10-09T21:08:19Z/9054850"; posting-account="190@nemoweb.net"; mail-complaints-to="julien.arlandis@gmail.com" JNTP-ProtocolVersion: 0.21.1 JNTP-Server: PhpNemoServer/0.94.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-JNTP-JsonNewsGateway: 0.96 From: Python <python@not-formail.invalid> Bytes: 3085 Lines: 43 Le 09/10/2024 à 14:53, Richard Hachel a écrit : > Le 09/10/2024 à 11:59, Mikko a écrit : >> On 2024-10-08 07:28:20 +0000, Thomas Heger said: >> >>> Am Sonntag000006, 06.10.2024 um 10:43 schrieb Mikko: >>>> On 2024-10-03 00:55:55 +0000, rhertz said: >>>> >>>>> Originally, local time was FOUND by Voigt in 1887. Here is the link: >>>>> >>>>> https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Translation:On_the_Principle_of_Doppler >>>>> >>>>> Go to equations 8 and 10. >>>>> >>>>> Lorentz "borrowed" Voigt's local time, without crediting him. >>>> >>>> Lirentz' local time is not the same as Voigt's. >>>> >>>> Local time is the isometric coordinate time of an isometric >>>> coordinate system. An important aspect to understand about >>>> it is that it is not local. It is valid for the region where >>>> the coordinate system is valid. At the time Voigt, Larmor and >>>> Lorentz presented their transformations it was assumed that >>>> the entire Universe could be covered with one such system. >> >>> What is more interesting than Hendrik Lorentz, that is Einstein's 'On >>> the electrodynamics of moving bodies'. >> >> No "local time" there so irrelevant to the topic of this discussion. > > Que pensait Henri Poincaré lorsqu'il écrivait « heure locale » ? > Que pensait Albert Eisntein ? > Que pensais Minkowski, Lorentz? > On ne le sait pas... *You* do not know. If you had take time to read what these people actually wrote you would know. How come you didn't, if you pretend to think about the question for ages?