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Path: Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-2.nntp.ord.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2024 04:05:43 +0000 Subject: Re: Meta: a usenet server just for sci.math Newsgroups: sci.math,news.software.nntp References: <8f7c0783-39dd-4f48-99bf-f1cf53b17dd9@googlegroups.com> <1b50e6d3-2e7c-41eb-9324-e91925024f90o@googlegroups.com> <31663ae2-a6a2-44b8-9aa3-9f0d16d24d79o@googlegroups.com> <6eedc16b-2c82-4aaf-a338-92aba2360ba2n@googlegroups.com> <51605ff6-f18f-48c5-8e83-0397632556aen@googlegroups.com> <b0c4589a-f222-457e-95b3-437c0721c2a2n@googlegroups.com> <5a48e832-3573-4c33-b9cb-d112f01b733bn@googlegroups.com> <8wWdnVqZk54j3Fj4nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@giganews.com> <MY-cnRuWkPoIhFr4nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com> <NqqdnbEz-KTJTlr4nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@giganews.com> <FqOcnYWdRfEI2lT4nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> <NVudnVAqkJ0Sk1D4nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com> <RuKdnfj4NM2rlkz4nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com> <HfCdnROSvfir-E_4nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com> <FLicnRkOg7SrWU_4nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@giganews.com> <v7ecnUsYY7bW40j4nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@giganews.com> <q7-dnR2O9OsAAH74nZ2dnZfqnPhg4p2d@giganews.com> <Hp-cnUAirtFtx2P4nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com> <MDKdnRJpQ_Q87Z77nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com> From: Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2024 21:05:44 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <MDKdnRJpQ_Q87Z77nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <-bOdnWSSIMUKcZn7nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com> Lines: 384 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-pAKAd5/5Rre6kRuAb5zLHpn22eNfdiEfLPGMAo+642n0DnvTUWpVz5FHwaOgi2Xa7r6vtm991ivLpHH!3n43tmkD1ujVgTcHbatTi4nyiuy/xApgFln8lyB/jt7Jk+fTaR0EC0FZlgNbHSZbSC9UvEFPJ7GM X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 18998 On 03/26/2024 06:04 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote: > arithmetic hash searches > > take a hashcode, split it up > > invert each arithmetically, find intersection in 64 bits > > fill in those > > detect misses when the bits don't intersect the search > > when all hits, then "refine", next double range, > > compose those naturally by union > > when definite misses excluded then go find matching partition > > arithmetic partition hash > > So, the idea is, that, each message ID, has applied a uniform > hash, then that it fills a range, of so many bits. > > Then, its hash is split into smaller chunks the same 1/2/3/4 > of the paths, then those are considered a fixed-point fraction, > of the bits set of the word width, plus one. > > Then, sort of pyramidally, is that in increasing words, or doubling, > is that a bunch of those together, mark those words, > uniformly in the range. > > For example 0b00001111, would mark 0b00001000, then > 0b0000000010000000, and so on, for detecting whether > the hash code's integer value, is in the range 15/16 - 16/16. > > The idea is that the ranges this way compose with binary OR, > then that a given integer, then that the integer, can be > detected to be out of the range, if its bit is zero, and then > otherwise that it may or may not be in the range. > > 0b00001111 number N1 > 0b00001000 range R1 > 0b00000111 number N2 > 0b00000100 range R2 > > 0b00001100 union range UR = R1 | R2 | .... > > > missing(N) { > return (UR & RN == 0); > } > > > This sort of helps where, in a usual hash map, determining > that an item doesn't exist, is worst case, while the usual > finding the item that exists is log 2, then that usually its value > is associated with that, besides. > > Then, when there are lots of partitions, and they're about > uniform, it's expected the message ID to be found in only > one of the partitions, is that the partitions can be organized > according to their axes of partitions, composing the ranges > together, then that search walks down those, until it's either > a definite miss, or an ambiguous hit, then to search among > those. > > It seems then for each partition (group x date), then those > can be composed together (group x month, group x year, > groups x year, all), so that looking to find the group x date > where a message ID is, results that it's a constant-time > operation to check each of those, and the data structure > is not very large, with regards to computing the integers' > offset in each larger range, either giving up when it's > an unambiguous miss or fully searching when it's an > ambiguous hit. > > This is where, the binary-tree that searches in log 2 n, > worst-case, where it's balanced and uniform, though > it's not to be excluded that a usual hashmap implementation > is linear in hash collisions, is for excluding partitions, > in about constant time and space given that it's just a > function of the number of partitions and the eventual > size of the pyramidal range, that instead of having a > binary tree with space n^2, the front of it has size L r > for L the levels of the partition pyramid and r the size > of the range stamp. > > Then, searching in the partitions, seems it essentially > results, that there's an ordering of the message IDs, > so there's the "message IDs" file, either fixed-length-records > or with an index file with fixed-length-records or otherwise > for reading out the groups' messages, then another one > with the message ID's sorted, figuring there's a natural > enough binary search of those with value identity, or bsearch > after qsort, as it were. > > So, the idea is that there's a big grid of group X date archives, > each one of those a zip file, with being sort of contrived the > zip files, so that each entry is self-contained, and it sort of > results that concatenating them results another. So > anyways, the idea then is for each of those, for each of > their message IDs, to compute its four integers, W_i, > then allocate a range, and zero it, then saturate each > bit, in each range for each integer. So, that's like, say, > for fitting the range into 4K, for each partition, with > there being 2^8 of those in a megabyte, or that many > partitions (512), or about a megabyte in space for each > partition, but really where these are just variables, > because it's opportunistic, and the ranges can start > with just 32 or 64 bits figuring that most partitions > are sparse, also, in this case, though usually it would > be expected they are half-full. > > There are as many of these ranges as the hash is split > into numbers, is the idea. > > Then the idea is that these ranges are pyramidal in the > sense, that when doing lookup for the ID, is starting > from the top of the pyramid, projecting the hash number > into the range bit string, with one bit for each sub-range, > so it's branchless, and'ing the number bits and the partition > range together, and if any of the hash splits isn't in the > range, a branch, dropping the partition pyramid, else, > descending into the partition pyramid. > > (Code without branches can go a lot faster than > code with lots of branches, if/then.) > > At each level of the pyramid, it's figured that only one > of the partitions will not be excluded, except for hash > collisions, then if it's a base level to commence bsearch, > else to drop the other partition pyramids, and continue > with the reduced set of ranges in RAM, and the projected > bits of the ID's hash integer. > > The ranges don't even really have to be constant if it's > so that there's a limit so they're under a constant, then > according to uniformity they only have so many, eg, > just projecting out their 1's, so the partition pyramid > digging sort of always finds one or more partitions > with possible matches, those being hash collisions or > messages duplicated across groups, and mostly finds > those with exclusions, so that it results reducing, for > example that empty groups are dropped right off > though not being skipped, while full groups then > get into needing more than constant space and > constant time to search. > > Of course if all the partitions miss then it's > also a fast exit that none have the ID. > > So, this, "partition pyramid hash filter", with basically, > "constant and configurable space and time", basically > has that because Message Id's will only exist in one or > a few partitions, and for a single group and not across > about all groups, exactly one, and the hash is uniform, so > that hash collisions are low, and the partitions aren't > overfilled, so that hash collisions are low, then it sort > of results all the un-used partitions at rest, don't fill ========== REMAINDER OF ARTICLE TRUNCATED ==========