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Le mardi 18 avril 2023 =C3=A0 14:06:14 UTC+2, JC_Lavau a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
> Sauf que son id=C3=A9e du "r=C3=A9el", emprunt=C3=A9e =C3=A0 l'air du tem=
ps, est aussi=20
> fausse que possible.
_______
Bonjour JC !=20
C=E2=80=99est ton opinion, ce n=E2=80=99est pas la mienne, car cette id=C3=
=A9e du r=C3=A9el rejoint, comme je l=E2=80=99ai indiqu=C3=A9, la th=C3=A9o=
rie de la connaissance o=C3=B9 il est fait mention de ph=C3=A9nom=C3=A8nes =
non-observables https://uohpsy.univ-tlse2.fr/UOHPSY/index.php? option=3Dcom=
_content&task=3Dview&id=3D81&Itemid=3D30
Le r=C3=A9el c=E2=80=99est les choses en soi de Kant (https://www.les-philo=
sophes.fr/kant/chose-en-soi-et-phenomene.html). =C2=ABle r=C3=A9alisme repo=
se sur la conviction que le r=C3=A9el existe ext=C3=A9rieurement =C3=A0 la =
pens=C3=A9e et ind=C3=A9pendamment d=E2=80=99elle=C2=BB (https://www.philom=
ag.com/lexique/realisme).
Platon, Kant, le r=C3=A9alisme, voil=C3=A0 trois bonnes raisons d=E2=80=99a=
dh=C3=A9rer au r=C3=A9el de d=E2=80=99Espagnat.
Si l=E2=80=99on a une position philosophique r=C3=A9aliste alors on adh=C3=
=A8re au r=C3=A9el, sinon on adopte celle du positivisme (https://www.philo=
mag.com/lexique/positivisme).
J=E2=80=99ai opt=C3=A9 pour le r=C3=A9alisme, donc pour son postulat, le r=
=C3=A9el ind=C3=A9pendant des observateurs.