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X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:4542:b0:6b3:7c51:6177 with SMTP id u2-20020a05620a454200b006b37c516177mr17162032qkp.306.1660046430429; Tue, 09 Aug 2022 05:00:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a05:6870:600b:b0:10b:94bc:61ad with SMTP id t11-20020a056870600b00b0010b94bc61admr13898517oaa.208.1660046430036; Tue, 09 Aug 2022 05:00:30 -0700 (PDT) Path: ...!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.astro Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 05:00:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <b862f81d-bb4c-4b45-acca-70f52e879a88n@googlegroups.com> Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=88.145.165.160; posting-account=l0YVUwoAAACvUnQCooL-PCAznCzJnJho NNTP-Posting-Host: 88.145.165.160 References: <b862f81d-bb4c-4b45-acca-70f52e879a88n@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <361fb6ea-8a2a-445a-b96e-e2c4341186e9n@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Variable Speed of Light : Proved in 1887 From: Lou <noelturntive@live.co.uk> Injection-Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2022 12:00:30 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bytes: 4389 Lines: 60 On Friday, 5 August 2022 at 20:06:37 UTC+1, Pentcho Valev wrote: > Banesh Hoffmann, Einstein's co-author, admits that, originally ("without = recourse to contracting lengths, local time, or Lorentz transformations"), = the Michelson-Morley experiment was compatible with Newton's variable speed= of light and incompatible with the constant speed of light posited by the = ether theory and "borrowed" by Einstein in 1905:=20 >=20 > "Moreover, if light consists of particles, as Einstein had suggested in h= is paper submitted just thirteen weeks before this one, the second principl= e seems absurd: A stone thrown from a speeding train can do far more damage= than one thrown from a train at rest; the speed of the particle is not ind= ependent of the motion of the object emitting it. And if we take light to c= onsist of particles and assume that these particles obey Newton's laws, the= y will conform to Newtonian relativity and thus automatically account for t= he null result of the Michelson-Morley experiment without recourse to contr= acting lengths, local time, or Lorentz transformations. Yet, as we have see= n, Einstein resisted the temptation to account for the null result in terms= of particles of light and simple, familiar Newtonian ideas, and introduced= as his second postulate something that was more or less obvious when thoug= ht of in terms of waves in an ether." Banesh Hoffmann, Relativity and Its R= oots, p.92 https://www.amazon.com/Relativity-Its-Roots-Banesh-Hoffmann/dp/0= 486406768=20 >=20 > Albert Einstein: "I introduced the principle of the constancy of the velo= city of light, which I borrowed from H. A. Lorentz's theory of the stationa= ry luminiferous ether." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_ether_theory= =20 >=20 > See more here: https://twitter.com/pentcho_valev=20 >=20 > Pentcho Valev The problem with Lorentz Newton and Einstein was twofold. Firstly they assumed light is a particle. Incorrect. There has NEVER been any evidence= =20 to date that light is particulate. Only overwhelming evidence it is a wave = only. And the second mistake they make was to not look at light speed in the=20 source frame. And MMX shows us it always travels at c in the source frame. So. We know from Huygens, Young & MMX that light is a wave=20 and always travels at c in the source frame. And we also know this is true = from=20 the =E2=80=9CDeSitter=E2=80=9D double star example that an observer on eart= h who is moving relative=20 to the source sees that the speed of light changes relative to the observer= ..=20 But not the source. This is confirmed by the fact that light is redshifted and then blue shifted as seen from observers here on earth.=20 (Without any evidence De Sitter ignores Huygens Young and MMX and=20 incorrectly assumes light is a particle and changes speed relativeTO THE SO= URCE)=20 And finally although Pentcho correctly states that Aether theory, Lorentz= and Einsteins conclusions are nonsense and not based on any empirical evidence whatsoever.....Pentcho incorrectly, and without any evidence, claims light = is=20 particulate.