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Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Mike Scott <usenet.16@scottsonline.org.uk.invalid> Newsgroups: comp.sys.raspberry-pi Subject: Re: Backup power supply Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2024 15:27:05 +0000 Organization: Scott family Lines: 37 Message-ID: <ut4do9$2uvam$1@dont-email.me> References: <uss93l$1jcu$1@hugayda.aid.in.ua> <8p66vi91001f2qfho33uprpu7fkes2ja3k@4ax.com> <usv8q2$1nj68$1@dont-email.me> <usvekd$1p3a5$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2024 15:27:05 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="e81b1c9a4f61ad42b42047399acf8563"; logging-data="3112278"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX196FcTSMDESosBE9P0QqvZxmtYgFJf1nWQ=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:yQIg32KqVColgTEgozdUW5o4MBo= In-Reply-To: <usvekd$1p3a5$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-GB Bytes: 2963 On 14/03/2024 18:11, bp@www.zefox.net wrote: > Mike Scott <usenet.16@scottsonline.org.uk.invalid> wrote: >> On 14/03/2024 15:51, Joe wrote: >>> I'm using a cheap APC, I believe 650 or 750, with USB monitoring hookup. Also have my router connected (with VOIP) to keep >>> communication possible for a little while (runtime abt 30 minutes). Battery replaced once, I believe it was some 7 years old. >> >> Somehow that makes no sense to me..... current 650 is 227 pounds (maybe plus >> VAT) on the APC website. 5 times the cost of the Pi. I'm sure it's a >> very nice UPS, but.... ??? >> > > Sense or not, it seems to be a fact of life. The inverter/charger/transfer units > I used have vanished from Amazon, replace by units with four times the power and > double the price. Battery prices seem to have dropped very slightly, but are > still a whisker over $200/kWH. > > A 12 volt to 5 volt stepdown converter appears to be less than $10, small 12 volt > batteries range from $20-100 in the few AH range, a 12 volt 5 amp charger ranges > from $11 to $50. The charger would be the iffy part, since a smart charger on a > loaded battery is apt to get confused by what looks like high self-discharge.. > > Something reliable for less than $100 will take both luck and ingenuity. One > possibility is finding a used UPS unit in e-waste and replacing the battery. > > bob prohaska Seems the rechargeable bit is the issue. For my part, and purely to use as a short-term standby for the Pi until mains resumes or the system can shut down cleanly - I'd be happy with something with a bundle of AA cells or similar. I doubt a clean switchover circuit would be difficult to design, but my electronics knowledge is decades out of date :-{ -- Mike Scott Harlow, England