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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: <bp@www.zefox.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.raspberry-pi Subject: Re: Backup power supply Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2024 17:35:25 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 42 Message-ID: <ut4l8s$30l43$1@dont-email.me> References: <uss93l$1jcu$1@hugayda.aid.in.ua> <8p66vi91001f2qfho33uprpu7fkes2ja3k@4ax.com> <usv8q2$1nj68$1@dont-email.me> <usvekd$1p3a5$1@dont-email.me> <ut4do9$2uvam$1@dont-email.me> Injection-Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2024 17:35:25 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="35bfbed82b2dc6c9a51e1e571512da10"; logging-data="3167363"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/e7UN6wmKk5//B8WpSXYP4rXAhUUZ2aPo=" User-Agent: tin/2.6.2-20221225 ("Pittyvaich") (FreeBSD/14.0-RELEASE-p5 (arm64)) Cancel-Lock: sha1:BpDWNglhG71mQWPotpb1BacDV+k= Bytes: 3074 Mike Scott <usenet.16@scottsonline.org.uk.invalid> wrote: > > Seems the rechargeable bit is the issue. For my part, and purely to use > as a short-term standby for the Pi until mains resumes or the system can > shut down cleanly - I'd be happy with something with a bundle of AA > cells or similar. I doubt a clean switchover circuit would be difficult > to design, but my electronics knowledge is decades out of date :-{ Since I started mucking about with inverters the complexity of line detection has gradually dawned on me. I started out thinking of a simple SPDT relay with coil across the line. Line drops, relay goes to normal contacts, job done. With enough filter caps on the Pi to sustain it through a few line cycles maybe that would work. For a larger load the caps get big, if you want (as I do) to back up several different devices (DSL modem, router, switches) that amounts to a custom DC supply interconnecting all devices. If you want significant endurance (minutes or hours) capacitors become impractical. Primary cells in series with a blocking diode (6 volt battery with one silicon diode in series) would get you close to 5 volts with the diode drop. Maybe that's your ticket. The key is finding the right battery chemistry to give the voltage you need. Still, it's a handmade gadget. And, whatever voltage matching device you select must not drain the primary cells. I think a three-terminal regulator would cause at least some trouble on that count. On the good side, you could put it all downstream of the Pi power supply and skip line detection entirely. That's a big advantage. When line voltage drops (and returns) it's often noisy, dropping, returning and dropping again. Much better if the UPS takes over with a hair trigger and waits for a period of quiet before retiring. That's where the logic gets intricate. I puzzled over the custom DC supply versus off-the-shelf AC UPS approach and settled on the latter. For a single Pi, that no longer looks so attractive. Thanks for reading, bob prohaska