Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3A_Analysis_of_Flibble=E2=80=99s_Latest=3A_Detecting_v?= =?UTF-8?Q?s=2E_Simulating_Infinite_Recursion_ZFC?= Date: Mon, 26 May 2025 12:29:19 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 52 Message-ID: <10128df$23fpg$1@dont-email.me> References: <100l9gh$30aak$1@dont-email.me> <100lc4o$30pgm$1@dont-email.me> <100ld1u$312c9$1@dont-email.me> <100lg4g$31jt3$1@dont-email.me> <100lkdv$32ib3$1@dont-email.me> <100lmif$32v06$1@dont-email.me> <100lmp3$32ven$1@dont-email.me> <100m319$38k55$2@dont-email.me> <87jz69xlpx.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com> <100mder$39slu$2@dont-email.me> <100oipb$3oge1$1@dont-email.me> <87a573xz0s.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <875xhrtbpr.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com> <100r2mb$b2b1$1@dont-email.me> <100r4oq$b650$1@dont-email.me> <100r5bf$b5vm$4@dont-email.me> <100r5hn$b650$2@dont-email.me> <100r648$bhcu$1@dont-email.me> <100r68v$b650$3@dont-email.me> <100sn6a$p071$1@dont-email.me> <100snl3$nvac$1@dont-email.me> <100sr6o$ppn2$3@dont-email.me> <100uqro$1an9v$1@dont-email.me> <100vehv$1en90$1@dont-email.me> <100vl4m$1g3rf$1@dont-email.me> <101224h$22da5$6@dont-email.me> <10123oq$2320h$1@dont-email.me> <10124j3$22da5$16@dont-email.me> <101285u$23u6u$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Mon, 26 May 2025 19:29:20 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="64fd189e500b414701d6509a3265afae"; logging-data="2211632"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18bl62qtcQSSY76wrGWXjCb" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:I36APrBF+uVjPdocx7a7tHz9s5A= In-Reply-To: <101285u$23u6u$1@dont-email.me> X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250525-10, 5/25/2025), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Content-Language: en-US On 5/26/2025 12:25 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote: > On 26/05/2025 17:24, olcott wrote: >> On 5/26/2025 11:10 AM, Richard Heathfield wrote: >>> On 26/05/2025 16:42, olcott wrote: >>>> no >>>> C function can see its own caller. >>> >>> So because DDD calls HHH, HHH can't analyse the halting behaviour of >>> DDD. >>> >>> Got it. >>> >> >> I didn't say that. > > Yes, you did. > > On 24/5/2025 in Message-ID <100sr6o$ppn2$3@dont-email.me> you said: > >> You are a damned liar when you say that I said >> that HHH must report on the behavior of its caller. >> >> No HHH can report on the behavior of its caller >> for the same reason that no function can report >> on the value of the square-root of a dead cat. > > Your words. > > Since DDD is HHH's caller, according to you HHH can't report on DDD's > behaviour. HHH(DDD) does correctly report on the behavior that its input specifies. _DDD() [00002192] 55 push ebp [00002193] 8bec mov ebp,esp [00002195] 6892210000 push 00002192 [0000219a] e833f4ffff call 000015d2 // call HHH [0000219f] 83c404 add esp,+04 [000021a2] 5d pop ebp [000021a3] c3 ret Size in bytes:(0018) [000021a3] How many recursive emulations does HHH have to wait before its emulated DDD magically halts on its own without ever needing to be aborted? -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer