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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2025 10:25:29 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 27 Message-ID: <104rad9$1icss$3@dont-email.me> References: <101nq32$99vd$1@dont-email.me> <3f64fdd81d67415b7b0e305463d950c0c71e2db7@i2pn2.org> <EKKdnXZfl9Qpf_T1nZ2dnZfqlJ-dnZ2d@giganews.com> <9dcab3b82e32f9eb8473f8bc5361ab2fbef8b8f8@i2pn2.org> <104cud2$1r72a$2@dont-email.me> <a346224cd5d8b4001580eb6e5ff8783e58c9b7f5@i2pn2.org> <104e46s$28pqb$2@dont-email.me> <960c2417e6f691b2b12703506c207990df5b39ab@i2pn2.org> <104el09$2dpog$1@dont-email.me> <1ca786773f9ff02718c66e082bbc4182b36732ab@i2pn2.org> <104fduv$2n8gq$2@dont-email.me> <4cb5d16be8d1e6549823f35081050e7dad462da2@i2pn2.org> <104gi8j$2uc68$2@dont-email.me> <152859a4a4ef31aa45580e873eb6970c34b97ef9@i2pn2.org> <104hmb5$35gkb$1@dont-email.me> <f12be9e3474cf08b01ae1a4381f77205bbac1da3@i2pn2.org> <104i15g$36mma$2@dont-email.me> <c0cf1db3b26b15b6b2df8a22e9f415c10aee59a7@i2pn2.org> <104jcqn$3jrpl$10@dont-email.me> <104lb03$13ioh$2@dont-email.me> <104lp8o$7l4q$7@dont-email.me> <104o662$18h8g$1@dont-email.me> <104oj2v$t0u4$7@dont-email.me> <104qimm$1dpnl$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2025 17:25:30 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="77a1f53edba794dcd0b3794096040439"; logging-data="1651612"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/wFypj74Bu2j8XzYETyzqy" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:pMmJWkv9yUZsLOukgUgAVV8MTZk= X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <104qimm$1dpnl$1@dont-email.me> X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250711-6, 7/11/2025), Outbound message On 7/11/2025 3:40 AM, Mikko wrote: > On 2025-07-10 14:35:11 +0000, olcott said: > >> On 7/10/2025 5:54 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>> Op 09.jul.2025 om 15:02 schreef olcott:> >>>> All Turing machine deciders only compute the mapping >>>> from their actual inputs. This entails that they never >>>> compute any mapping from non-inputs. >>> >>> At least one thing you understand. >>> >> >> *From the bottom of page 319 has been adapted to this* >> https://www.liarparadox.org/Peter_Linz_HP_317-320.pdf >> >> *The Linz proof does not understand this* > > Proofs don't understand. They prove. > It fails to prove undecidability when the decider correctly excludes directly executed Turing machines from its domain. -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer