Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.quux.org!news.nk.ca!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: will.dockery@gmail.com (W.Dockery) Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments,rec.arts.poems Subject: Re: The Lime sock on Stephan Pickering and NAMBLA Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2025 23:09:25 +0000 Organization: novaBBS Message-ID: <6cd2c3efd165352ab556ac720cd98b26@www.novabbs.com> References: <31c157534183ddc0956f4b7fafb50192@www.novabbs.com> <1b0abc515085fef30dcded2eadb68f23@www.novabbs.com> <5227ae9dd312926e9ce31400d723e8c1@www.novabbs.com> <5c9f72d12fa796806beae5605c395dee@www.novabbs.com> <5dbcf9237189246b98dee451ccd20b8a@www.novabbs.com> <22208eb9b7fc6f591146534e91d786c2@www.novabbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="1318624"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="Vf9CM7g99yqfGvzEHTw0bhrjcIfvzYBBhUuRma0rLuQ"; User-Agent: Rocksolid Light X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$NNATGHzO0ASxd73RJd2XsuXlHKcciFPM4bu/Pj8NstMElrk2dks7u X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 X-Rslight-Posting-User: acd0b3e3614eaa6f47211734e4cbca3bfd42bebc On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 14:00:46 +0000, HarryLime wrote: > Will Dockery wrote: > >> On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 2:09:47 +0000, HarryLime wrote: >> >>> Will Dockery wrote: >>> >>>> On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 22:40:46 +0000, HarryLime wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 11:21:42 +0000, George J. Dance wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 3 Feb 2025 16:15:27 +0000, Michael Monkey Peabrain (MPP) aka >>>>>> "HarryLime" wrote: >>>>>>> On Mon, 3 Feb 2025 13:06:00 +0000, George J. Dance wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>> snip >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> At some point Jim and Pickles got into a flamewar regarding Ginsberg. I >>>>>>>>> don't recall who started it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Well, allow me to refresh your memory. Jim and Stephan first got into >>>>>>>> flamewars after you formed Team Monkey with him and NastyGoon (NG), a >>>>>>>> Pickering troll. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You're opening sentence is a delusional lie, George. I never formed any >>>>>>> team. There was no "Team Monkey." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I was on a friendly basis with Jim from the first time he posted here >>>>>>> (that is to say, the first time after my having joined the group). >>>>>> >>>>>> Everyone was on a friendly basis with him originally; he mostly posted >>>>>> his own poetry; mostly the same dozen or less poems that we'd all read, >>>>>> with the titles constantly changing so we'd read them again, but no one >>>>>> flamed him for that. If he got into a flamewar with Stephan over >>>>>> Ginsberg (and I'll accept your claim that that came first), that would >>>>>> have been his first flamewar. But when he got into his flamewar with >>>>>> Stephan (possibly because he was upset that Stephan had been "impolite" >>>>>> to him), and because you were also upset that Stephan had been >>>>>> "impolite" to you), the two of you began to flame Stephan together. You >>>>>> went from having a friendly relationship to forming a troll alliance. >>>>> >>>>> Wrong. >>>>> >>>>> We remained in a friendly relationship. >>>>> >>>>> Fighting Pickles did not affect this in any way. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> When NancyGene first came to the group, she was trolling Pickles -- and >>>>>>> since Pickles was your Donkey's ally, she soon joined Brooke, ME, Usenet >>>>>>> Editor, and friends in attacking the Donkey. Since I was also an ally >>>>>>> of your Donkey, I joined the Donkey in attacking them. >>>>>> >>>>>> So "Dr." NastyGoon (who was trolling and flaming Stephan) formed an >>>>>> alliance with mini-ME (who was trolling and flaming Will) to troll and >>>>>> flame both of them; and because you and your Chimp also had an alliance >>>>>> to troll and flame Stephan, the four of you formed an alliance to troll >>>>>> and flame both of of them. That's the genesis of "Team Monkey" in a >>>>>> nutshell. >>>>> >>>>> Do you have any idea how batshit crazy half-witted that sounds? >>>>> >>>>> Don't answer, the question was rhetorical. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> When they showed that they were willing to work with me in establishing >>>>>>> peace at AAPC, I stopped fighting with them. Stopping fights is the >>>>>>> first step to establishing peace. >>>>>> >>>>>> But, as you've just told us, you didn't establish any peace or stopping >>>>>> any fights. >>>>> >>>>> Lie! I just told you that I stopped fighting with NancyGene and ME. >>>>> >>>>> How dense are you? >>>>> >>>>> *Again, the above question is rhetorical. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> You just switched from (allegedly) attacking them to >>>>>> attacking Will and Stephan - you formed the troll alliance alliance that >>>>>> I later called "Team Monkey". To continue: >>>>> >>>>> Lie! >>>>> >>>>> I did not start attacking Will at that time. I merely stopped attacking >>>>> NancyGene and ME on his behalf (a fact which he whined about endlessly). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> The first thing you did was invite NG into Jim's Sunday Sampler, >>>>>>>> where >>>>>>>> they (NG's preferred pronoun) would write trollpoems about Stephan. The >>>>>>>> result would be Stephan jumping into the Sampler, which would result in >>>>>>>> JIm >>>>>>>> flaming him and others (for example, Richard Oakley) also being turned >>>>>>>> against Jim. I doubt that either Jim nor STephan realized that you were >>>>>>>> manipulating them for that outcome. >>>>>> >>>>>>> Eventually I came to like and respect >>>>>>> NancyGene and ME, and we became friends. This was a nature progression >>>>>>> of our engaging in friendly poetry-related discussions together -- and >>>>>>> had nothing to do with having created some made up "Team." >>>>>> >>>>>> You became allies (or, to use your term, online "friends") with two >>>>>> trolls and the four of you then began trolling and flaming Will and >>>>>> Stephan. You just don't like my calling your alliance "Team Monkey." >>>> >>>> I'll reply in depth when I get to your post, George, but that's correct. >>>> >>>>> I did not start trolling Will until after the *second* time he seconded >>>>> Pickles' post/poem depicting me as a "paedophile." >>>> >>>> Again, the poem never seemed to be "about you" Harry, that's just the >>>> way you decided to interpret the poem. >>> >>> Pickles used the name "PaedoScarlotti" in the poem! How is that a >>> matter of interpretation? >>> >>> >>>>> This was two years after NancyGene, ME, Jim and I became friends. >>>>> >>>>>>> You might also recall that I was *not* attacking the Donkey at that >>>>>>> time. Rather than having formed an anti-Donkey team, I had taken a >>>>>>> neutral position and adopted a friendly stance toward both sides. >>>>>> >>>>>> Of course it's better for a team to attack one person at a time; but of >>>>>> course you had to start trolling and flaming Will, since >>>>>> "Dr." NastyGoon and mini-ME were already trolling him as well. >>>>> >>>>> See above. >>>>> >>>>> Will and I had been maintaining an uneasy state of civility towards one >>>>> another, out of respect for our former friendship. >>>>> >>>>> It was only after Will seconded Pickles' "paedophile" accusation -- >>>> >>>> It was simply a poem, not an accusation. >>> >>> If I had written dozens of posts accusing you of being a "paedophile," >>> addressed you as "PaedoDockery," then wrote a poem about "PaedoDockery" >>> would it simply be a poem? >>> >>> >>>>> The first time this happened, Will claimed that he had been applauding >>>>> Pickles' poem in general -- agreeing with its content >>>> >>>> The poems didn't really seem to be about you, Harry. >>>> >>>> I think you were being a bit paranoid and delusional at that time. >>> >>> And I think that you're not so stupid as not to realize that the act of >>> calling me "PaedoScarlotti" is an implicit accusation that I am a >>> paedophile. >>> >>>> >>>>>>> began openly opposing my attempts to establish peace. >>>> >>>> Completely untrue, I stated to the end that I was in favor of peace and >>>> that we could have peace immediately by simply stopping the fighting. >>> >>> You wanted us to stop attacking you, but refused to stop flooding the >>> newsgroup with your 50+ slurp posts and "Hello Jordy" posts a day in >>> return. >>> >>> To put it more bluntly, you were saying the equivalent of: "I'll do >>> whatever I damn well please. If you don't like it, just skip and >>> ignore." >>> >>>> >>>> Michael Pendragon showed over and over that he didn't really have any >>>> interest in peace. >>> >>> I was willing to make compromises and concessions. You were not. >>> >>> >>>>>> Once again, your trolling and flaming were doing nothing to "establish >>>>>> peace" on the group. In fact, by bringing the flamewars into your >>>>>> Chimp's Sunday Sampler, you had destroyed the one oasis of peace. >>>> >>>> The troll thugs were determined to drive Stephan Pickering from the ========== REMAINDER OF ARTICLE TRUNCATED ==========