Path: ...!news.nobody.at!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: wij Newsgroups: sci.logic Subject: Re: Two dozen people were simply wrong --- Try to prove otherwise --- pinned down Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2024 07:25:25 +0800 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 63 Message-ID: <9c58496135506dadc17bae1b278cc0808a5a039d.camel@gmail.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2024 01:25:27 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="0fe18306cba5cf8887c5ee2c3faa8725"; logging-data="3173441"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX181ZA5danj1yVozhGjbABBa" User-Agent: Evolution 3.50.2 (3.50.2-1.fc39) Cancel-Lock: sha1:lPF4izljZ0fTNSIOYJ7NA6XXeFk= In-Reply-To: Bytes: 4627 On Sat, 2024-06-01 at 18:12 -0500, olcott wrote: > On 6/1/2024 6:02 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > > On 6/1/24 6:40 PM, olcott wrote: > > >=20 > > > Show me where I said anything in the above spec about an aborted=20 > > > simulation. > >=20 > > So, why did HH stop simulating after some n steps? > >=20 > > Did it reach a final state in the simulation? if not, it ABORTED its= =20 > > simulation. > >=20 > > >=20 > > > When every possible which way DD correctly simulated by HH never reac= hes > > > past its own simulated line 03 then > >=20 > > And a simulation either goes until it reaches a final state of the=20 > > machine it is simulating, or it aborted its simulation. > >=20 >=20 > typedef int (*ptr)();=C2=A0 // ptr is pointer to int function in C > 00=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 int HH(ptr p, ptr i); > 01=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 int DD(ptr p) > 02=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 { > 03=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 int Halt_Status =3D HH= (p, p); > 04=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 if (Halt_Status) > 05=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 HERE: goto= HERE; > 06=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 return Halt_Status; > 07=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 } > 08 > 09=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 int main() > 10=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 { > 11=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 HH(DD,DD); > 12=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 return 0; > 13=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 } >=20 > When every DD correctly simulated by any HH cannot possibly reach > past its own simulated line 03 in 1 to =E2=88=9E steps of correct simulat= ion > of DD by HH then we have exhaustively examined every possible HH/DD > pair and each element has of this infinite set has the same property. >=20 > *THIS PROVES THAT THE INPUT TO H(DD,DD) DOES NOT HALT* > *THIS PROVES THAT THE INPUT TO H(DD,DD) DOES NOT HALT* > *THIS PROVES THAT THE INPUT TO H(DD,DD) DOES NOT HALT* >=20 > > Nope, prove you don't know what you are talking about,=20 > > or are just a liar destined for Gehenna, > >=20 >=20 > Are you willing to bet your soul on the claim that you believe > that you are telling the truth? I do believe that I am telling > the truth and I also believe that you already know that I am > correct about the above statements that I made. >=20 You are just a talking machine, better than GPT. You have no soul. It seems you cannot say anything other than "I am right".