Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: joes Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: How Partial Simulations correctly determine non-halting ---Ben's 10/2022 analysis Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2024 16:34:26 -0000 (UTC) Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: References: <87h6eamkgf.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <_gWdnbwuZPJP2sL7nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2024 16:34:26 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="3480847"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="nS1KMHaUuWOnF/ukOJzx6Ssd8y16q9UPs1GZ+I3D0CM"; User-Agent: Pan/0.145 (Duplicitous mercenary valetism; d7e168a git.gnome.org/pan2) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Bytes: 3339 Lines: 33 Am Fri, 07 Jun 2024 10:40:37 -0500 schrieb olcott: > On 6/7/2024 10:32 AM, joes wrote: >> Am Fri, 07 Jun 2024 10:20:09 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>> On 6/7/2024 10:09 AM, Python wrote: >>>> Le 07/06/2024 à 17:05, olcott a écrit : >>>>> On 6/7/2024 9:55 AM, Python wrote: >>>>>> Le 07/06/2024 à 16:47, olcott a écrit : >>>>>>> The issue here is that I proved that DD correctly simulated by HH >>>>>>> has different behavior than the directly executed DD(DD) and >>>>>>> everyone's "rebuttal" to this proof is to simply ignore it. >>>>> When you actually try to form a rebuttal of the above you will see >>>>> that I am correct. So far everyone simply ignores the proof that I >>>>> am correct as their only rebuttal. >>> A {correct simulation} means that each instruction of the above x86 >>> machine language of DD is correctly simulated by HH and simulated in >>> the correct order. >> And to the end. Thus it can't behave differently than direct execution. > You must not be very good at programming if you believe that > Infinite_Recursion must be simulated "to the end" As I said before, if there is no end the simulation can't end either. >>> Anyone claiming that HH should report on the behavior of the directly >>> executed DD(DD) is requiring a violation of the above definition of >>> correct simulation. >> But those are the same. How does simulating something change it? > It seems to boil down to you just don't know enough about programming > otherwise it would occur to you that there cannot possibly exist any > correct rebuttal to the following: Answer the question. Why should the simulation differ from direct execution? -- joes