Path: ...!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: The True Doctor Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho,uk.media.tv.sf.drwho Subject: Re: Doctor Who: RTD in the Radio Times. Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2024 23:00:54 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 109 Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2024 00:00:56 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="2b2131a5e2c49b69b4df5f11187d31dd"; logging-data="1631900"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/MjvaTGhWPy7ILP/WHZjJKXuBV9mfMQQw=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:o30JbjJoC4N3d2TRE/XypXzWj7o= Content-Language: en-GB In-Reply-To: Bytes: 6490 On 17/06/2024 12:27, The Last Doctor wrote: > Daniel70 wrote: >> Hornplayer9599 wrote on 17/6/24 9:38 am: >>> On 6/16/2024 16:21, Blueshirt wrote: >>> >>>>> We have a figure of 40,000 total viewers for the first 2 episodes >>>>> on Disney+ from Doomcock and unless Disney+ publishes figures >>>>> which contradict that then Doomcock must be accepted as the most >>>>> accurate figure available. >>> >>> Okay, George, let's take Doomcock's figures at face value...even >>> though he himself said that they were unverifiable, and hasn't >>> mentioned them since (he's only dealt with the UK numbers since...and >>> as you know, those /are/ verified). >> >> I don't know what happens now but, back in the Day, Some small portion >> of the population (maybe 0.1%) would actually be surveyed as to what >> they watched on their T.V.'s, how many in the Household watched, the >> economic standing of household members, etc, and these numbers were >> multiplied up to give 'population' numbers. >> >> Is this still, effectively, what happens in Britain and Ireland?? >> >> If so, I could understand why it might take sooooo long for Disney to >> come up with a number for the rest of the world. > > BARB use a compound system - a sample of 7,000 households (about 16,000 > people) is taken who use a special remote to say when they enter or leave a > TV enabled room. In those rooms is a box that continuously samples the TV > audio and matches it every night to determine what live TV and “recorded on > my box” programmes were being watched, by whom, and for how long. How do they know if the people in the room are actually watching each show and don't just have the TV on in the background while they are talking to each other about something completely different, or eating, or doing the housework? How do they know what programme is being watched if someone is listening to the audio on headphones so as not to disturb others in the room? How do they work out what the programme is if the conversation in the room is much much louder than the television or if the noise from inside or outside like someone hovering or mowing the lawn drowns out the sound in the room? A > separate box is coupled to the wi-fi router to capture what subscription > and SVOD services are being accessed and when, also matched to TV audio and > the viewer counter. What if they're using LTE or G3, 4 or 5 to connect to the internet on their PC or using their mobile phone as a Wi-Fi hotspot? How do they know if they're watching a torrent instead of a legitimate download from a streaming service? > > The number of households has increased down the years as overall viewing > numbers have reduced and distribution across an ever increasing number of > channels has diluted the totals so to ensure that statistical accuracy is > maintained, the sample size has had to increase. > Crap degenerate woke writing is what has resulted in fewer people watching. If the writing is good people will still watch in the numbers they did before. > Those figures are extrapolated to give the U.K. total viewing figures using > standard statistical methods. 0.025% of the population is deemed sufficient You mean fiddled using made up assumptions about demographics which have never been tested in practice. Look how election pollsters keep getting the election result wrong even using even bigger samples. Do you remember 1992 and 2010? Good to see the SDP are back. > for this (7,000 out of 28m households). > > BARB also take a survey every week of 1,000 random households to update the > panel requirements to ensure the right demographic and household balance is > maintained across the 10 categories of household (Couple with no children, > with 1-2 dependent children, one person household - 65 or over and under > 65, lone parent with dependent children, couple with non-dependent children > only, > lone parent with non-dependent children only, > couple with 3 or more dependent children, two or more unrelated adults, > multi-family household) and their social categories and viewing habits. > What about black people, Asian people, people whose first language is not English, immigrants, second generation immigrants, illegal immigrants, homosexuals, people with physical or mental dissimilitudes, and dwarfs? Isn't that supposed to be Doctor Whoke's target audience? > They also capture big data from all streaming providers to get a pattern of > SVOD viewing that they compare to their panel results for reasonableness - > but they don’t use the big data figures directly because they measure by > device, not viewers. > So they fiddle the streaming service data too. Good work. I'll stick with my YouTube statistics which are based on a sample of 11,000. -- The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw "To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it stands for." -William Shatner