Path: ...!feed.opticnetworks.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: FromTheRafters Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: Does the number of nines increase? Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2024 13:46:41 -0400 Organization: Peripheral Visions Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <9f744198-219c-481d-970d-0ba4c264f090@att.net> <4RWgJcGMg1Zagk6yT04mcwxdZH4@jntp> <59961718-bd36-46df-801a-4f977fcc05cf@att.net> Reply-To: erratic.howard@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2024 19:46:48 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="d465d5712b7a445b99a4f2e83a16af77"; logging-data="3628358"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX199W9hZLS2MJliVUCSrQwtIhKf4qUJpLt8=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:U7CYILI+XKT62FsdfQAZfNfSX2o= X-Newsreader: MesNews/1.08.06.00-gb X-ICQ: 1701145376 Bytes: 2571 joes was thinking very hard : > Am Fri, 28 Jun 2024 13:55:34 +0000 schrieb WM: >> Le 28/06/2024 à 10:38, joes a écrit : >>> Am Thu, 27 Jun 2024 12:15:30 +0000 schrieb WM: >>>> Le 26/06/2024 à 23:55, Jim Burns a écrit : >>>> >>>>> WM thinks an infinite number is >>>>> very.large.but.finite >>>> No, I assume that sets are complete. Therefore ℕ_0 as a proper >>>> superset of ℕ has one elements more than ℕ. Infinity does not make >>>> them equal. > Infinity does not have a predecessor like finite numbers. > >>> What does „complete” mean? >> It means that no natural number can be added to {0, 1, 2, 3, ..., ω} > Duh, the set of all natural numbers N contains all of them. > >> It means that the subtraction of the complete set leaves {0, 1, 2, 3, >> ..., ω} \ ℕ = {0, ω}. >> It means that in {0, 1, 2, 3, ..., ω} before ω there is a natural >> number. > There is not, since there are infinitely many of them. > >>> With which numbers do you describe the sizes of N and N_0? >> Most of them are dark and cannot be used as individuals. > Not their elements. I was asking for their number, how many > of them there are. There's a number of them, however, how many there are is not a number.