Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Hypothetical possibilities --- stupid rebuttal --- Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 20:32:06 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 49 Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2024 03:32:07 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="d6c56e3cc0e766a5f243fbbf3db0d44a"; logging-data="1352709"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+SLy8fWRkwZ1mStPlJxBCu" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:1+usqt2uxVEgtfmWDMr8jm7cH7U= In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3530 On 7/30/2024 8:21 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 7/30/24 2:42 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 7/28/2024 3:10 AM, Mikko wrote: >>> On 2024-07-27 14:45:21 +0000, olcott said: >>> >>>> On 7/27/2024 9:28 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: >>>>> olcott wrote: >>>>>> On 7/27/2024 1:54 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>>> If a simulator correctly simulates a finite number of instructions >>>>>>> where x86 program specifies an execution of an infinite number of >>>>>>> instructions then the simulation deviates from x86 semantics at the >>>>>>> point where the simulation stops but the x86 semantics specify >>>>>>> countinuation. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> In other words you believe that instead of recognizing a >>>>>> non-halting behavior pattern, then aborting the simulation >>>>>> and rejecting the input as non-halting the termination >>>>>> analyzer should just get stuck in recursive simulation? >>>>> >>>>> You're doing it again.  "In other words" is here a lie; you've just >>>>> replaced Mikko's words with something very different. >>>>> >>>> >>>> He just said that the simulation of a non-terminating input >>>> is incorrect unless it is simulated forever. >>> >>> I said it deviates form the x86 semantics. I didn't say whether it is >>> incorrect to deviate from x86 semantics. >> >> The measure of DDD correctly emulated by HHH >>     until HHH correctly determines that its emulated DDD would never >>      stop running unless aborted... >> >> is that the emulation of DDD by HHH >> *DOES NOT DEVIATE FROM THE X86 SEMANTICS* > > Which frst means it must emulate per the x86 semantics, which means the > call to HHH must be followed by the emulation of the x86 instructions of > HHH, not something else. > I have said and proved that it does many hundreds of times and you are so stuck in rebuttal mode that you never noticed. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer