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Failed to connect to MySQL: (1203) User howardkn already has more than 'max_user_connections' active connectionsPath: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic Subject: Re: Infinite proofs do not derive knowledge --- Hand in the cookie jar --- pants on fire Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2024 22:07:31 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 114 Message-ID: References: <2d0b6260615af8afac79ee8de57bcd45c2f2056f@i2pn2.org> <8bd5f2159853ff17ef81b27a85141bccc324e7d9@i2pn2.org> <7387a77d06e4b00a1c27a447e2744a4f10b25e49@i2pn2.org> <359671d4a94f2caa82dc3c4884daa2ff73396a8d@i2pn2.org> <0c7d3ace11c3a5a50ac7d7beb8b2091114ad82d3@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2024 05:07:32 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="f64513aa3f157d417bd9d336ffe725cf"; logging-data="1757839"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+5n5eA0EH/f46XRfwMiT6I" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:MxWm1BK+mVQwWNpXlAy80I2njmw= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Bytes: 5691 On 7/16/2024 8:54 PM, olcott wrote: > On 7/16/2024 8:11 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >> On 7/16/24 9:34 AM, olcott wrote: >>> On 7/16/2024 6:53 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>> On 7/15/24 10:55 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>> On 7/15/2024 9:18 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>> On 7/15/24 10:06 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>> On 7/15/2024 3:48 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2024-07-11 13:51:47 +0000, olcott said: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 7/11/2024 2:07 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 2024-07-10 13:58:42 +0000, olcott said: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 7/8/2024 7:37 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/8/24 8:28 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Every expression of language that cannot be proven >>>>>>>>>>>>> or refuted by any finite or infinite sequence of >>>>>>>>>>>>> truth preserving operations connecting it to its >>>>>>>>>>>>> meaning specified as a finite expression of language >>>>>>>>>>>>> is rejected. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Tarski's x like Godel's G are know to be true by an infinite >>>>>>>>>>>> sequence of truth preserving operations. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Every time that you affirm your above error you prove >>>>>>>>>>> yourself to be a liar. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It is quite obvious that you are the liar. You have not shown >>>>>>>>>> any error >>>>>>>>>> above. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Richard said the infinite proofs derive knowledge >>>>>>>>> and that infinite proofs never derive knowledge. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That is included in my "not shown above", in particular the word >>>>>>>> "proofs". >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 7/8/2024 7:37 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>  > >>>>>>>  > Tarski's x like Godel's G are know to be true by an >>>>>>>  > infinite sequence of truth preserving operations. >>>>>>>  > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We cannot know that anything is true by an infinite >>>>>>> sequence of truth preserving operations as Richard >>>>>>> falsely claims above. >>>>>> >>>>>> You are just mixing up your words because you don't understd that >>>>>> wrores. amnd just making yourself into a LIAR. >>>>>> >>>>>> Our KNOWLEDGE that the statement is true, comes from a finite >>>>>> proof in the meta system. >>>>> >>>>> Thus zero knowledge comes from the infinite proof >>>>> You spelled "known" incorrectly as "know" yet claimed >>>>> that knowledge comes form an infinite proof. >>>>> >>>>> You can't even pay attention to your own words ??? >>>>> >>>> >>>> There is no "infinite proof". >>>> >>> >>> On 7/8/2024 7:37 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>> *know to be true* >>> *know to be true* >>> *know to be true* >>> *know to be true* >>> *know to be true* >>> by an infinite sequence of truth preserving operations. >>> >>> Nothing can ever be known to be true >>> by an infinite sequence of truth preserving operations. >>> >> >> Right, you just don't parse it right because you don't understand >> english. >> >> the "by" refers to the closer referent. >> >> it is KNOW TO BE >> TRUE BY an infinite sequence of truth persevng operations. >> >> The infinite sequence establish what makes it True, not what make the >> truth known. >> > > In other words when you are caught with your hand in the > cookie jar stealing cookies you deny: > (a) That your hand is in the jar > (b) That there is a jar > (c) That there are any cookies > > On 7/8/2024 7:37 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > > > > Tarski's x like Godel's G are know to be true by an > > infinite sequence of truth preserving operations. > > > Nothing is known to be true by an infinite sequence of truth preserving operations. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer