Path: ...!news.nobody.at!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!feeds.news.ox.ac.uk!news.ox.ac.uk!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: RonO Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: More farm workers infected by the dairy virus Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2024 18:22:56 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 246 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: References: Reply-To: rokimoto557@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="75378"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:z0UqVTeoc4mU+PuPCVIHOF5dncM= Return-Path: X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 8FAB4229782; Sat, 20 Jul 2024 19:23:22 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3B3BC229765 for ; Sat, 20 Jul 2024 19:23:20 -0400 (EDT) by moderators.individual.net (Exim 4.98) for talk-origins@moderators.isc.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (envelope-from ) id 1sVJQS-00000002LXJ-0dnJ; Sun, 21 Jul 2024 01:23:40 +0200 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 34F5E5F7F7 for ; Sat, 20 Jul 2024 23:22:57 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/34F5E5F7F7; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmail.com id A34B1DC01A9; Sun, 21 Jul 2024 01:22:56 +0200 (CEST) X-Injection-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2024 01:22:56 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX19BJ/S5nsHbzDJlcfAI3UYggN0Xagvrifo= Content-Language: en-US FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD,FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,FREEMAIL_REPLYTO_END_DIGIT,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 17562 On 7/19/2024 11:53 PM, erik simpson wrote: > On 7/19/24 4:59 PM, RonO wrote: >> On 7/16/2024 9:29 AM, RonO wrote: >>> On 7/16/2024 9:06 AM, RonO wrote: >>>> On 7/15/2024 11:44 AM, RonO wrote: >>>>> On 7/13/2024 9:04 AM, RonO wrote: >>>>>> https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/three-presumptive-bird-flu-cases-reported-poultry-workers-colorado-rcna161686 >>>>>> >>>>>> 3 farm workers cleaning up an infected poultry farm were infected >>>>>> by the Dairy virus.  Where the Dairy virus goes poultry flocks >>>>>> start to go down.  In Michigan they found that some dairy workers >>>>>> at infected farms also worked at poultry farms, and around twice >>>>>> as many had close contacts that worked on poultry farms (17%). >>>>>> They have known from Texas with the first poultry flock to go down >>>>>> with the Dairy virus that humans likely took the virus onto the >>>>>> poultry farm.  They tried to blame equipment because the virus is >>>>>> not infective off skin and clothing for more than half an hour, >>>>>> but can remain infective on a solid surface for 24 hours.  An >>>>>> infected person shedding virus is obviously the bests means to >>>>>> infect the poultry flock and other dairy herds that did not get >>>>>> infected cattle.  They already had an example of an infected dairy >>>>>> worker shedding virus in Texas, so it seemed obvious that infected >>>>>> humans were taking the virus to poultry farms by the time all the >>>>>> flocks in Michigan began to go down, but the USDA and CDC have >>>>>> been in willful denial mode. >>>>>> >>>>>> Infected humans have been transferring the virus to Dairy herds in >>>>>> states that did not get cattle, and have been infecting poultry >>>>>> flocks with the dairy virus.  The work determining how many dairy >>>>>> workers have been infected has never been done at this time, but >>>>>> everyone knows that more than 4 is not just likely but a given. >>>>>> Only 61 dairy workers have been tested of those 61 the CDC admits >>>>>> that over half were not tested correctly (only nasal swabs when >>>>>> most of the positive cases have been negative for nasal swabs but >>>>>> positive for eye swabs). There has been no attempt to identify all >>>>>> the infected herds in order to limit the infection and human >>>>>> contacts. >>>>>> >>>>>> The willful stupidity is likely politically driven.  Instead of >>>>>> trying to prevent the next pandemic the CDC has decided to monitor >>>>>> all states for influenza activity, and if there is an increase in >>>>>> influenza cases they will act.  This is so tragically lame. >>>>>> Instead of prevent the virus from evolving into a pandemic virus >>>>>> they will try to contain the issue after it becomes an issue in >>>>>> the human population.  Colorado demonstrates how stupid this >>>>>> strategy is.  The dairy worker infected in Colorado had >>>>>> respiratory symptoms.  The poultry workers had eye infections, but >>>>>> some of them also had respiratory symptoms.  The virus can >>>>>> obviously infect humans whether it comes from cows or birds, and >>>>>> in Colorado it is becoming a respiratory infection.  They need to >>>>>> identify all the infected herds and now poultry flocks in Colorado >>>>>> and quarantine the herds and farm workers. >>>>>> >>>>>> The more herds infected the more humans will be infected, the more >>>>>> chance that the virus will evolve into a pandemic virus.  Willful >>>>>> stupidity should not be allowed to continue. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ron Okimoto >>>>> >>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/15/health/colorado-bird-flu-humans-confirmed/index.html >>>>> >>>>> Two more Colorado poultry workers from the same farm have tested >>>>> positive for H5N1 dairy influenza.  All 5 of the infected poultry >>>>> workers came from the same farm and were working with the same >>>>> infected birds.  This likely should tell everyone how many dairy >>>>> workers have likely been infected since dairy cows shed virus for >>>>> over 4 weeks, and these workers were likely only exposed for a few >>>>> days cleaning out the infected flock.  They do not say how many had >>>>> respiratory symptoms, but the state that some did.  The Colorado >>>>> virus may have mutated to better infect humans, but still produces >>>>> mild symptoms.  The CDC is waiting for sequencing results to tell >>>>> them how bad the situation may be. >>>>> >>>>> These poultry workers could have infected other flocks and herds if >>>>> they worked on other farms, but the CDC isn't doing any contact >>>>> tracing. >>>>> >>>>> Ron Okimoto >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> Oklahoma has finally admitted to having infected dairy herds so the >>>> number of positive states have become 13.  Oklahoma is one of the >>>> states identified by the FDA back on May 10th as having H5N1 >>>> positive dairy products, but the USDA and CDC never followed up. >>>> The fact that it has taken this long for the infection to be >>>> detected in Oklahoma is due to the willful stupidity of how the >>>> dairy virus has been handled by the USDA and CDC.  It is obvious >>>> that the USDA and CDC could have just started sampling dairy >>>> products in the lower 48 states, identified dairies that contributed >>>> milk to those processing plants and identified most of the infected >>>> herds.  They could have started contact tracing to idenify more >>>> herds that could have been infected by the known infected herds. >>>> >>>> Oklahoma hasn't been announced by the USDA, you have to go to their >>>> web site and find out that 2 Oklahoma dairy herds were reported >>>> positive July 11th. >>>> >>>> https://www.aphis.usda.gov/livestock-poultry-disease/avian/avian-influenza/hpai-detections/hpai-confirmed-cases-livestock >>>> >>>> There were 9 other states where the FDA idenitfied H5N1 positive >>>> dairy products that were not then known to have infected herds, but >>>> no one followed up.  3 of the last 4 states added to the positive >>>> list were among the 9 identified by the FDA as having positive dairy >>>> products back in May.  By now the virus has likely spread to many >>>> other states because no one identified the infected herds, and tried >>>> to limit infection by limiting dairy worker contacts with other farms. >>>> >>>> As tragically stupid as it may be Florida was one of the states >>>> identified by the FDA as having postive dairy products and it was >>>> very far from other known positive states (the closest state was >>>> North Carolina) and yet no one bothered to identify the infected >>>> herds in that state (There has been no admission to having positive >>>> herds in Florida).   The CDC also knew that one Florida county had >>>> absurdly high waste water readings for influenza and yet they didn't >>>> check the dairies in that county.  Florida has a high population and >>>> is not where you want this type of virus to fester and evolve.  The >>>> Dairy virus has been allowed to spread in Florida unchecked for months. >>>> >>>> Ron Okimoto >>>> >>> >>> https://www.statnews.com/2024/07/15/bird-flu-snapshot-h5n1-infected-herds/ >>> >>> Reality is worse than I depicted.  STATnews has an article on it. >>> The Oklahoma samples were collected by the dairy farmer in April, but >>> he didn't submit them for testing until the USDA offered >>> compensation. So his positive dairy herds may have contributed to the >>> positive FDA results in May, and his herds have been allowed to >>> spread the virus for months.  The recommendation to protect dairy >>> workers did not apply to this farmer because his herds were not known >>> to be infected, so his dairy workers were likely exposed for months >>> as the virus burned through his herd. >>> >>> The STAT article also has something from the Norwegian Institute of >>> Public Health "gave voice to a rising pessimism about the prospects >>> of containing the H5N1 outbreak in cows in a recent report."  The CDC >>> and USDA haven't even tried to identify all the infected herds, and >>> definitely haven't tried to restrict the spread of the virus among >>> the herds and poultry flocks.  They have recommendations that only >>> are for known infected herds, and so they obviously are not working >>> due to the fact that they refuse to identify all the infected herds. >>> >>> The USDA already has a milk testing program in place for things like >>> taking cell counts to identify mastitis, but they refuse to test milk >>> samples for H5N1.  They could just test milk products produced in ========== REMAINDER OF ARTICLE TRUNCATED ==========