Path: eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!panix!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.nk.ca!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: joes Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is Correctly rejected as non-halting V2 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2024 20:58:58 -0000 (UTC) Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: References: <97e0632d0d889d141bdc6005ce6e513c53867798@i2pn2.org> <091e8b7baeea467ee894b1c79c8943cb9773adb7@i2pn2.org> <16ac79611a441e7e01119631051f69119eee958a@i2pn2.org> <23cb2d2401b87bf4f6a604aa1a78b93ffc9a29bc@i2pn2.org> <3fc6548531f91ed14a27420caf9679a634573ed0@i2pn2.org> <8a6e6d9ff49aabe2525ce5729a439c807de4768a@i2pn2.org> <34Ocnd4voeWlDAn7nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> <056325e336f81a50f4fb9e60f90934eaac823d22@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2024 20:58:58 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="3409561"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="nS1KMHaUuWOnF/ukOJzx6Ssd8y16q9UPs1GZ+I3D0CM"; User-Agent: Pan/0.145 (Duplicitous mercenary valetism; d7e168a git.gnome.org/pan2) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Am Mon, 15 Jul 2024 10:52:34 -0500 schrieb olcott: > On 7/15/2024 9:04 AM, joes wrote: >> Am Mon, 15 Jul 2024 07:23:57 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>> On 7/15/2024 3:59 AM, joes wrote: >>>> Am Sun, 14 Jul 2024 22:35:03 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>>>> On 7/14/2024 10:02 PM, Mike Terry wrote: >> >>>>> Any input that must be aborted to prevent the non termination of >>>>> simulating termination analyzer HHH necessarily specifies >>>>> non-halting behavior or it would never need to be aborted. >>>> It's just that the input HHH halts and does not need to be aborted. >>> At the point that it is aborted it did need to be aborted >> Because it hadn't halted yet? > Because HHH has seen a repeating state that proves that DDD correctly > emulated by HHH cannot possibly ever stop running unless aborted. Which state is it that repeats forever? We know that HHH will abort. What does HHH do with Fred's Finite_Recursion()? > That you fail to understand a that there is a repeating state or fail to > understand that a repeating state proves this is less than no rebuttal > at all. The state is in fact different in some internal decision logic that waits for a repetition. You know this better than me. Can you point me to where HHH looks for the stored state that may be repeated? >> Why should it have halted, it will do so in the future. Do you place >> arbitrary lifetime limits on all programs? -- Am Fri, 28 Jun 2024 16:52:17 -0500 schrieb olcott: Objectively I am a genius.