Path: ...!news.misty.com!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.nk.ca!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: joes Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: More complex numbers than reals? Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2024 22:55:13 -0000 (UTC) Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <1b5fb142a7ad1a1863d1de96c2af13d254160a3c@i2pn2.org> References: <87msmqrbaq.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <0dUETcjzkRZSIY0ZGKDH2IRJuYQ@jntp> <87v81epj5v.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <878qyap1tg.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <871q40olca.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <87jzhsn4bn.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <0_MBIwFUmcbVzDRphAhSXT1Jfqk@jntp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2024 22:55:13 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="3138994"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="nS1KMHaUuWOnF/ukOJzx6Ssd8y16q9UPs1GZ+I3D0CM"; User-Agent: Pan/0.145 (Duplicitous mercenary valetism; d7e168a git.gnome.org/pan2) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Bytes: 2663 Lines: 33 Am Fri, 12 Jul 2024 17:13:09 +0000 schrieb WM: > Le 11/07/2024 à 02:46, Ben Bacarisse a écrit : >> "Chris M. Thomasson" writes: > >>> {a, b, c} vs { 3, 4, 5 } >>> Both have the same number of elements, >> That will fall down for infinite sets unless, by decree, you state that >> your meaning of "more" makes all infinite sets have the same number of >> elements. > There are some rules for comparing sets which are not subset and > superset, namely symmetry: > The real numbers in intervals of same length like (n, n+1] are > equinumerous. What is their number? In fact every interval contains uncountably many numbers. Of course you can assign this the useless measure 1. > Further there is a rule of construction: The rational numbers are |ℚ| = > 2|ℕ|^2 + 1. No, they are countable: bijective to the naturals. And what would this expression mean if you can't manipulate it? > The real numbers are infinitely more than the rational numbers because > every rational multiplied by an irrational is irrational. > Of course the complex numbers are infinitely many more than the reals. > That's the subset rule. > These rules have not lead to any contradiction, to my knowledge. Please > try. Consider the set of even numbers. Clearly they are bijective to the naturals, yet a subset of them. How many are there? -- Am Fri, 28 Jun 2024 16:52:17 -0500 schrieb olcott: Objectively I am a genius.