Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott Newsgroups: sci.logic Subject: x true. Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2024 06:47:01 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 90 Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2024 13:47:02 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="198d92f6295c39b86c65eb128f10a699"; logging-data="1660422"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18Br85P+9I40mVsWSa/XZxL" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:PneIc3zSf+gD0wETS21PUCbXHB4= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Bytes: 4906 On 8/6/2024 3:19 AM, Mikko wrote: > On 2024-08-04 12:04:23 +0000, olcott said: > >> On 8/4/2024 2:23 AM, Mikko wrote: >>> On 2024-08-03 13:44:25 +0000, olcott said: >>> >>>> On 8/3/2024 4:50 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>> On 2024-08-02 12:19:31 +0000, olcott said: >>>>> >>>>>> On 8/2/2024 1:43 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>>> On 2024-07-31 14:46:17 +0000, olcott said: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 7/31/2024 3:03 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 2024-07-30 13:40:55 +0000, olcott said: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 7/30/2024 2:33 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-07-29 00:44:41 +0000, olcott said: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The truth about every expression of language that can be known >>>>>>>>>>>> to be true on the basis of its meaning expressed in language is >>>>>>>>>>>> that a lack of connection simply means untrue. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Does that really mean something? If the significance of the >>>>>>>>>>> lack of >>>>>>>>>>> connection is restricted to sentences where the connection >>>>>>>>>>> exists >>>>>>>>>>> then it seems that you are talking about nothing. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://plato.stanford.edu/Entries/analytic-synthetic/ >>>>>>>>>> I had to redefine the analytic side of the analytic/synthetic >>>>>>>>>> distinction because Quine convinced most everyone that this >>>>>>>>>> distinction does not exist. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You cannot redefine side wihout redefining the other side and the >>>>>>>>> distinction itself. Is your redefinition equivalent to the one >>>>>>>>> at https://plato.stanford.edu/Entries/analytic-synthetic/ or did >>>>>>>>> you find out that that distincition is not the one that exists? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Quine got totally confused by synonymity. He never understood >>>>>>>> that the term {Bachelor} was defined in terms of >>>>>>>> (~Married + Adult + Male). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It is not a good idea to lie about other people. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When reqding Quine, you should ask yourself why your presentation >>>>>>> is much less convincing than Quine's. >>>>>> >>>>>> Try and show the details of how I am incorrect. >>>>> >>>>> What you said (quoted above) about Quine is insulting and unjustified, >>>>> which alone is wrong. >>>> >>>> The bottom line here is that every objection that he could >>>> have possibly made is addressed by this augmentation to >>>> the definition of {analytic truth} >>>> >>>> *Original definition* of {Analytic truth} >>>> Every expression of (formal or natural language) that is >>>> true on the basis of its meaning... >>> >>> So what is wrong with Quines opinion that the truth of "A bachelor >>> is not married" comes from the meaning of the words? >>> >> >> If he said that then he would be saying that he has no >> objection to the {Analytic/Synthetic} distinction. He is >> famous for having an objection to this. > > What makes you thing he has no objection not involving batchelors to > the analytinc/synthetic distinction? > I only skimmed his paper. I don't have to even look at anything that said besides his conclusion to know that it is wrong. It is a tautology to say that expressions of language that are true or false on the basis of their meaning are established as true of false by a contiguous sequence of truth preserving operations as truth-makers between (x or ~x) and the expressions of language that make (x or ~x) true. When anyone disagrees with the gist of this they are necessarily incorrect. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer