Path: ...!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Alan Gauld Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: bring back nntp library to python3 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2024 23:56:39 +0100 Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: <87bk1ug8vh.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de l+EpL0GzXWpDuWyUvC+6oQfMhiVW3HvNOEwlh8yCDt/Q== Cancel-Lock: sha1:4Bd3IIsg/hEJS7E7A79GNNWQ+yE= sha256:7wsyNGOW7LPpuOEsr/6Mf3lZefItuUYzMvKZWywclhQ= Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org Authentication-Results: mail.python.org; dkim=pass reason="2048-bit key; unprotected key" header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b=kkT1G2Uw; dkim-adsp=pass; dkim-atps=neutral X-Spam-Status: OK 0.009 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'pip': 0.04; 'influence': 0.07; 'maintainers': 0.07; 'subject:library': 0.07; 'moved': 0.09; 'problem.': 0.15; 'batteries': 0.16; 'flickr': 0.16; 'from:name:alan gauld': 0.16; 'message-id:@yahoo.co.uk': 0.16; 'packages.': 0.16; 'photo-blog': 0.16; 'subject:bring': 0.16; 'url-ip:79.170.44.132/32': 0.16; 'url-ip:79.170.44/24': 0.16; 'url-ip:79.170/16': 0.16; 'url-ip:79/8': 0.16; 'url:alan-g': 0.16; 'url:alan_gauld': 0.16; 'url:alangauldphotos': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'python': 0.16; 'probably': 0.17; "can't": 0.17; 'url:amazon': 0.19; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.20; 'install': 0.23; 'to:name:python-list@python.org': 0.24; 'seems': 0.26; 'library': 0.26; 'fact': 0.28; 'greatly': 0.28; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.30; 'community.': 0.31; 'program': 0.31; 'think': 0.32; "doesn't": 0.32; 'python-list': 0.32; 'received:192.168.1': 0.32; 'but': 0.32; "i'm": 0.33; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.34; 'received:google.com': 0.34; 'complex': 0.35; 'from:addr:gmail.com': 0.35; 'people': 0.36; 'main': 0.37; "it's": 0.37; 'author': 0.37; 'received:192.168': 0.37; 'developers': 0.39; 'use': 0.39; 'alan': 0.40; 'learn': 0.40; 'included': 0.61; 'follow': 0.62; 'worked': 0.67; 'right': 0.68; 'adds': 0.69; 'url:author': 0.69; 'site': 0.70; 'ability': 0.71; 'care': 0.71; 'longer': 0.71; 'left': 0.83; 'reasons': 0.84; 'became': 0.84; "else's": 0.84; 'subject:back': 0.84; 'somebody': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1723676201; x=1724281001; darn=python.org; h=content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:references:to :content-language:subject:user-agent:mime-version:date:message-id :from:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=H6t21bF5SHEQ13PfJkFWREVl4dGX6S4yHY3EQR/va3Q=; b=kkT1G2Uwe777PhXO1qij/7d3tWkpsMYP8kw/hDouMyVdJuDePZPeKh22oDXaIIXeZB FWe3+P/U9Y5M1uv+Nd72wzasSpgV0j/HrPvgNuCQJ9nwesc81Lih0hGmilY1KGULWpQU pfrAuVxne80qOyXWCNtbBq+tI9vg3X/do5Nrd4Hnu1aEn8cGHEV1hztpj3oEkNPdJUzO NMYmrL8t1aIaz5BxOrAkhfm+5m5qnjjvuhePofSOg5Wm7tuGOfaBaOpKdRUAngz5WsTK G0YnrKz7Uvd12gJ/WgWEqBl5SfwSC1G31y36WapWfmBpvFSFgH5h+JJ1rssB1QHWPCtQ mnQA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1723676201; x=1724281001; h=content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:references:to :content-language:subject:user-agent:mime-version:date:message-id :from:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=H6t21bF5SHEQ13PfJkFWREVl4dGX6S4yHY3EQR/va3Q=; b=XfA2HK5PIq4AYfbn+8e/gxccKvsK6MrC2OZ3yZuMT2NDsaPGQ/4rEx743+W9/Klrgd B862ZIA6fV8Id7WLIH3sY9lJV5rCHR+v7Uwi+M2y5QXh1egPuTXft59itUle4pfKhVtQ 56J/GojZUipVRURxhJY+iPbYW8KWh12G/RDCh7FjN4sV/huhQsMt0jo3liXzcZCfftgU d6fFYxL11TnGguMjsgMmHQwVOnVJ1G29G2nvimDqg7svJcUw+1FY+Duv1BianVPAnfZR Fh36T07yN67gO5SyhWvRLfd1M0wdQ3Z95TeKXB5AiIkq5747Kf1FMm/2KFosJ5+2/JWD pjMg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Ywl9+1aae9+Oiq8tVxYFj2bnYkUe22+eo1t52m0uL1H/Is5m++D Rs3Qhx5F8t3xez4EvhWfkQJ0P7/OKSfNEXYkDo7nrvamyjNTuCEsYTv49d0X X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IF1QYdMx6FkQhBcLnS5D4Qj+hxbkwWx0HAzHkAruTJIQiRgaHt5OGCzrHO5u56++Ny7Dow22g== X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:bc22:b0:a7a:a5ae:11ba with SMTP id a640c23a62f3a-a836702a16amr305850166b.50.1723676200843; Wed, 14 Aug 2024 15:56:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Original-From: Alan Gauld User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: en-GB In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.39 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Mailman-Original-Message-ID: X-Mailman-Original-References: <87bk1ug8vh.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com> Bytes: 6800 On 14/08/2024 23:32, Left Right via Python-list wrote: >> it became simple and straightforward to >> download and install packages. > > I think the right word for this is "delusional". I agree. But even if it worked it doesn't alter the fact that by not having batteries included it puts the onus on developers to build complex installs since their clients can't be expected to use pip etc. And a vanilla python no longer comes with the batteries. It greatly adds to the Python users workload even as it lightens the library maintainers load. It was certainly one of the main reasons I adopted python rather than perl. But thankfully I'm retired now so it's somebody else's problem. > But hey, this is just letting off steam. Nobody cares. Lots of people care but the ability to influence these decisions seems to have been removed far from the general python user community. Python has moved from the BDFL/Bazaar to the Committee/Cathedral. Probably an inevitable consequence of its current "popularity". -- Alan G Author of the Learn to Program web site http://www.alan-g.me.uk/ http://www.amazon.com/author/alan_gauld Follow my photo-blog on Flickr at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/alangauldphotos