Path: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Fred. Zwarts" Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: HHH maps its input to the behavior specified by it --- never reaches its halt state ---natural number mapping Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2024 09:29:06 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: <950d4eed7965040e841a970d48d5b6f417ff43dc@i2pn2.org> <4-qdnbdw1JzlRS37nZ2dnZfqlJydnZ2d@giganews.com> <1e1fa9bc4bbc00aa65c1a7974bd1bda87687c92b@i2pn2.org> <47a76378d634bf0db4017f879d0160793b57125e@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2024 09:29:07 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="88fe018fd7c65de78f82e53bbf822309"; logging-data="3981082"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/G9oRkkO/y59pRkA8fW3gC" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:RP5dG+UrjLhrVr5DtXpqiEtsbgU= In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-GB Bytes: 3451 Op 12.aug.2024 om 14:42 schreef olcott: > On 8/11/2024 2:54 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >> Op 11.aug.2024 om 13:45 schreef olcott: >>> >>> void DDD() >>> { >>>    HHH(DDD); >>>    return; >>> } >>> >>> None-the-less it is clear that of the above specified infinite >>> set DDD correctly emulated by each element of that set never >>> reaches its own "return" instruction halt state. >> >> Since no DDD is correctly simulated by HHH, we are talking about the >> properties of an empty set. >> But, indeed, the simulation of DDD by HHH fails to reach the halt >> state. It aborts one cycle before the simulated HHH would reach its >> 'return' instruction, after which DDD would reach its halt state. >> >>> >>> My words must be understandable by ordinary C programmers >>> and computer scientists. The latter tend to conclude that >>> my work is incorrect as soon as they know the subject matter >>> before actually seeing what I said. >>> >> Every C programmer understands that a simulation fails if it does not >> reach the end of a halting program. > > Four expert C programmers (two with masters degrees in > computer science) agree that DDD correctly simulated by > HHH does not halt. > Many more experts with master degrees tell you that it does halt. Show evidence instead of authority.