Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!newsfeed.xs3.de!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: Bob Casanova Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: origin of biological chirality? Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2024 10:01:35 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 31 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <9u94cjl2fv6heurev0aa1mqmcrslj3evv6@4ax.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="37077"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: ForteAgent/7.20.32.1218 To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:/hO2gr9FmoNbmh1nSHRSXqM7xfY= Return-Path: X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 95EE7229782; Sun, 18 Aug 2024 13:00:55 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 72F12229765 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2024 13:00:53 -0400 (EDT) id 9815B872AC; Sun, 18 Aug 2024 13:01:40 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by mod-relay.zaccari.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6DCE07FC2B for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2024 13:01:40 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 mod-relay.zaccari.net 6DCE07FC2B (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 315395F86D for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2024 17:01:38 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/315395F86D; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=buzz.off id BD044DC01A9; Sun, 18 Aug 2024 19:01:37 +0200 (CEST) X-Injection-Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2024 19:01:37 +0200 (CEST) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX18meMqwv//RzzSxfJAiUFV0Pgx/QRaac/U0T1p1LJzbLgDLQdBotA7J HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 3659 On Sun, 18 Aug 2024 00:08:49 +0100, the following appeared in talk.origins, posted by Ernest Major <{$to$}@meden.demon.co.uk>: >A study has found that lipid membranes can be selectively permeable to >one or the other sugar or amino acid enantiomer. The study used membrane >models inspired by the membranes of modern organisms, so is not directly >relevant to abiogenesis. However it still raises the possibility that >membrane selectivity was the source of chirality in biological >molecules. One possible issue is does this effect require chiral >membrane lipids; if so it only move the question of the origin of >chirality from sugars and amino acids to lipids. > ISTM that this is similar to the "matter/antimatter" imbalance; neither is inherently more "natural" than the other, but one became more prevalent. And IIRC, the m/am imbalance is now assumed to be a matter of chance in the original ratio. I could; of course, be mistaken in that; it's been years since I followed it even casually. > >https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.04.23.590732v2.full.pdf > -- Bob C. "The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'" - Isaac Asimov