Path: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2024 13:39:47 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 103 Message-ID: References: <867e1149d7291cfd965b6974aa22f104635f38aa@i2pn2.org> <116cb41843f55511cf8fa5c2216083136e50c976@i2pn2.org> <624e9a80190b25bac34b8e9ddf095ae1c4aa65d6@i2pn2.org> <5aeaac6d89bca36e2e2564a2e60b6ed346839aab@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2024 20:39:48 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="5c4a0c817977c3965e873c4f304e2b88"; logging-data="2013611"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/z5ZEC5wPC9ytEBAPtfb4D" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:/D+x8H5uKYLQsM7Bhl5Dg/Hsqh4= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Bytes: 5508 On 8/17/2024 1:28 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 8/17/24 2:11 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 8/17/2024 12:48 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>> On 8/17/24 1:42 PM, olcott wrote: >>>> On 8/17/2024 12:36 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>> On 8/17/24 1:24 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>> On 8/17/2024 11:16 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>> On 8/17/24 11:35 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>> On 8/17/2024 10:30 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 8/17/24 11:09 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 8/17/2024 10:06 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 8/17/24 10:58 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/17/2024 9:10 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/17/24 8:29 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> void DDD() >>>>>>>>>>>>>> { >>>>>>>>>>>>>>    HHH(DDD); >>>>>>>>>>>>>> } >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> _DDD() >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [00002172] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [00002173] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [0000217f] 83c404     add esp,+04 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [00002182] 5d         pop ebp >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [00002183] c3         ret >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *It is a basic fact that DDD emulated by HHH according to* >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *the semantics of the x86 language cannot possibly stop* >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *running unless aborted* (out of memory error excluded) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> No, anyone saying that the above is something that CAN be >>>>>>>>>>>>> correctly emulated by the semantics of the x86 language is >>>>>>>>>>>>> just a LIAR. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> You are inserting a word that I did not say. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> To say that DDD is emulated by HHH means that it must be >>>>>>>>>>> possible to validly do that act. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You are not going to get very far with any claim that >>>>>>>>>> emulating a sequence of x86 machine-code bytes is impossible. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> How do you emulate dthe CALL HHH instruction without the code >>>>>>>>> that follows? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Who is the silly one now? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No it has moved up to a ridiculous and utterly >>>>>>>> baseless false assumption that is directly contradicted >>>>>>>> by the verified fact that x86utm takes Halt7.obj as >>>>>>>> its input data, thus having all of the machine code >>>>>>>> of HHH directly available to DDD. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And thus, ALL of memory is the "input" and thus any change in it >>>>>>> renders that answer possibly different. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> There are no other words that can be added to my >>>>>> words that change the immutable fact of my words. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Which are just meaningless garbage and a LIE. >>>>> >>>>> The DDD given can not be "emulated" by HHH, >>>> >>>> *just meaningless garbage and a LIE* >>>> >>> >>> So, what IS the correct emulation of a program that goes off into >>> undefined memory? >>> >> >> Do I have to repeat this 500 times before you notice >> that I said it once? >> >> Utterly baseless false assumption that is directly >> contradicted by the verified fact that x86utm takes >> Halt7.obj as its input data, thus having all of the >> machine code of HHH directly available to DDD. > > But x86utm isn't HHH. > > > x86utm doesn't take "DDD" as its input, but the COFF file that contains > the whole problem. > Thus DDD has direct access to HHH in this shared memory space. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer