Path: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Janis Papanagnou Newsgroups: comp.lang.c Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:_technology_discussion_=e2=86=92_does_the_world_need_a?= =?UTF-8?Q?_=22new=22_C_=3f?= Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2024 15:07:53 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <87h6d2uox5.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com> <20240707164747.258@kylheku.com> <877cdur1z9.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <871q42qy33.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <87ed82p28y.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <87r0c1nzjj.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <87ikxconq4.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <20240711115418.00001cdf@yahoo.com> <20240712154252.00005c2f@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2024 15:07:55 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="9b34de3f65e12c5c7ad7b8c85c08e6c2"; logging-data="3200124"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/slTVUmM7rrKebUWD2GE07" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 Cancel-Lock: sha1:Xmk6bLyNwczq3oJiwxkCYOfWcxA= X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 In-Reply-To: <20240712154252.00005c2f@yahoo.com> Bytes: 3174 On 12.07.2024 14:42, Michael S wrote: > > I don't share your optimistic belief that the term "pass by reference" > is really established. Very few terms in computer science (science? > really?) are established firmly. Except, may be, in more theoretical > branches of it. I don't know of any "standard" describing that - if that's what you are aiming at - but I also wouldn't expect an international standard document. And newer sources (specifically including blogs and bots!) certainly may muddy waters. All my sources since days in University had a consistent semantical description. Computer Scientists seems not to have been keen to introduce here own and different terms. In case you have other, new [to me], or own concrete semantical interpretations of the "call-by-reference" mechanism I'm certainly interested to hear about. Especially in the light of alternative facts and "own definitions" (like Bart's) I suggest otherwise to not spread FUD about that. The gridlocked discussion is already annoying enough. :-/ Janis