Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: HHH maps its input to the behavior specified by it --- Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2024 15:36:57 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 75 Message-ID: References: <332fdac834dd53dbe6a8650e170f08fac33ca2cf@i2pn2.org> <614b136972063ab2c9d5e3d91e4289858ef24f55@i2pn2.org> <9721b1bcc4a6849dabc5d7956754292823381840@i2pn2.org> <5586bed1ae799730f4f5cda602007aa0a67a5b71@i2pn2.org> <2fee2a47a11178b8ec9089878a51aa7ccb410fc2@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2024 22:36:57 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="ec0d1ee71ceed677a7540299f25b1a73"; logging-data="960860"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19qCSHBfbjCjBjbsYC6YFOw" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:IEEuzYW7p6/tTcTR9YjviJFk2Bg= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <2fee2a47a11178b8ec9089878a51aa7ccb410fc2@i2pn2.org> Bytes: 4827 On 8/10/2024 3:30 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 8/10/24 4:15 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 8/10/2024 3:01 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>> On 8/10/24 3:50 PM, olcott wrote: >>>> On 8/10/2024 2:39 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>> On 8/10/24 3:15 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>> On 8/10/2024 1:58 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>> On 8/10/24 2:11 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>> On 8/10/2024 12:51 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 8/10/24 1:37 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> void DDD() >>>>>>>>>> { >>>>>>>>>>    HHH(DDD); >>>>>>>>>>    return; >>>>>>>>>> } >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *The set of HHH x86 emulators are defined such that* >>>>>>>>>> Each element of this set corresponds to one element of the set >>>>>>>>>> of positive integers indicating the number of  x86 instructions >>>>>>>>>> of DDD that it emulates. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *This is the mistake that I corrected* >>>>> >>>>> But since none of your traces show more that 4, that is a lie, >>>>> since you haven't been able to establish the HHH itself correctly >>>>> emulates ANY of the instructions of the program DDD after the call >>>>> HHH, as everything says it jumps to something other than the >>>>> correct x86 emulation of the program DDD that it was given. >>>>> >>>>> But, we can overlook that, since you fail otherways. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> But every one that emulates for a finite number of steps, and >>>>>>>>> then returns create a halting DDD, so you claim is just disproven. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> And it still does. If HHH emulates for a finite number of steps, >>>>> then returns, then the PROGRAM DDD that calls that HHH will halt. >>>>> >>>> >>>> *Yes this is your ADD* >>>> We have only been talking about DDD emulated by HHH. >>> >>> If you mean the emulation of DDD by HHH, you need to say so. >>> >>> DDD is one and only one thing, and that is the PROGRAM DDD. The fact >>> that you want the DDD that is emulated by HHH doesn't change it. >>> >> >> It is a tautology that DDD correctly emulated by any HHH >> cannot possibly reach its "return" instruction halt state. > > But that only applies for the HHH that DOES (Completely) correctly > emulate its input DDD, As I have countlessly proven it only requires enough correctly emulated steps to correctly infer that the input would never reach is "return" instruction halt state. Denying a tautology seems to make you a liar. I only say "seems to" because I know that I am fallible. *You are stuck in repeat mode with nothing new* You either (a) Deny tautologies (b) Change the subject with the strawman deception (c) Pure ad hominem with no reasoning at all. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer