Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2024 16:05:35 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 83 Message-ID: References: <867e1149d7291cfd965b6974aa22f104635f38aa@i2pn2.org> <116cb41843f55511cf8fa5c2216083136e50c976@i2pn2.org> <624e9a80190b25bac34b8e9ddf095ae1c4aa65d6@i2pn2.org> <5aeaac6d89bca36e2e2564a2e60b6ed346839aab@i2pn2.org> <194ac945e5d201e9e82279156a4cd93bf55dcb1c@i2pn2.org> <3fd8b24c808a19e3669680c81bf4272902a7cc7a@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2024 23:05:36 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="5c4a0c817977c3965e873c4f304e2b88"; logging-data="2013611"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18+msESVTnAZ41fUddysYV3" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:JYNQn6OV2KSFd+hYkogI8B8Xk3M= In-Reply-To: <3fd8b24c808a19e3669680c81bf4272902a7cc7a@i2pn2.org> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 4793 On 8/17/2024 4:00 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 8/17/24 4:41 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 8/17/2024 3:20 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>> On 8/17/24 4:10 PM, olcott wrote: >>>> On 8/17/2024 2:27 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>  > On 8/17/24 3:00 PM, olcott wrote:>> On 8/17/2024 1:50 PM, Richard >>>> Damon wrote: >>>>  >>>>>> And thus ALL of memory is part of the input, >>>>>> >>>>>> Any additional details have no effect what-so-ever on my claim. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Suure it does. >>>>> >>>>> Since your argument tries to say that since DDD is the same to all >>>>> of them, so its the behavior. >>>>> >>>>> You are just admitting to being a LIAR. >>>>> >>>> >>>> *Calling me a liar admits that insults is all that you have* >>>> *If I made a mistake then show that* >>> >>> I did. >>> >>>> >>>> FOR THREE YEARS YOU ALWAYS CHEAT >>>> BY CHANGING MY WORDS AND REBUTTING THESE CHANGED WORDS >>>> >>>> *Everything that is not expressly stated below is* >>>> *specified as unspecified* >>> >>> Ok. >>> >>>> >>>> void DDD() >>>> { >>>>    HHH(DDD); >>>> } >>>> >>>> _DDD() >>>> [00002172] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping >>>> [00002173] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping >>>> [00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD >>>> [0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD) >>>> [0000217f] 83c404     add esp,+04 >>>> [00002182] 5d         pop ebp >>>> [00002183] c3         ret >>>> Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183] >>>> >>>> *It is a basic fact that DDD emulated by HHH according to* >>>> *the semantics of the x86 language cannot possibly stop* >>>> *running unless aborted* (out of memory error excluded) >>>> >>> >>> No, DDD can NOT be emulated accoreding to the semantics of the x86 >>> langauge, because the contents of the location 000015d2 is not >>> provided to be emulated, and will need to be emulated after emulating >>> the call instruction. >>> >> >> Everything that is logically entailed by the above specification >> is included by reference. The assumption that DDD and HHH were >> not in the same memory space has always been ridiculous. >> > > Then I guess you accept that every different HHH generates a DIFFERENT > Input, as that input, BY LOGHICAL NECESSITY includes all the code of HHH > so it can be emulated, and thus you claims that "All the DDDs have the > same bytes" is just a blantent lie. > This is my only claim *It is a basic fact that DDD emulated by HHH according to* *the semantics of the x86 language cannot possibly stop* *running unless aborted* (out of memory error excluded) I am not claiming anything about any bytes. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer