Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Anyone that disagrees with this is not telling the truth --- V5 --- Professor Sipser Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2024 08:06:37 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: <431deaa157cdae1cae73a1b24268a61cf8ec2c1c@i2pn2.org> <7a1c569a699e79bfa146affbbae3eac7b91cd263@i2pn2.org> <729cc551062c13875686d266a5453a488058e81c@i2pn2.org> <148bf4dd91f32379a6d81a621fb7ec3fc1e00db0@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2024 15:06:38 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="62a25b741157347252c8096938b61d22"; logging-data="470448"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18HWhFD5NrCyMmnAnIvANfu" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:M70Bb6hJ5B9I9HdpmIEsMwBMqbg= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Bytes: 2785 On 8/22/2024 3:21 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: > Op 21.Aug.2024 OM 20:52 olcott: >> >> You keep missing the idea that HHH does a partial >> simulation of DDD to predict what would happen if >> this HHH never aborted its simulation of DDD. >> >> > You keep missing the idea that HHH must predict the behaviour of its > input (the HHH that does a partial simulation), not the behaviour of a > different hypothetical non-input (the HHH that never aborted). The would be stupid. If that was the case then HHH could ignore its input and accept every input as halting including this one: void Infinite_Loop() { HERE: goto HERE; } > There is a reason why HHH has an input. If it were correct to predict > the behaviour of a hypothetical non-input, then HHH would not need an > input. That is stupid > Are you still cheating with the Root variable to change the behaviour of > HHH from an input to a non-input? -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer