Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!news.szaf.org!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: Ernest Major <{$to$}@meden.demon.co.uk> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: ChatGPT contributing to current science papers Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2024 11:29:40 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 50 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: References: Reply-To: {$to$}@meden.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="65548"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:JMeVl3zRssggKWX32MBWfjgXxDo= Return-Path: X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 622A0229782; Sun, 11 Aug 2024 06:29:05 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E9F7229765 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2024 06:29:03 -0400 (EDT) id 03C585DC2C; Sun, 11 Aug 2024 10:29:44 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by mod-relay-1.kamens.us (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D749A5DC26 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2024 10:29:43 +0000 (UTC) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C9005F834 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2024 10:29:41 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/3C9005F834; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=meden.demon.co.uk id B819FDC01A9; Sun, 11 Aug 2024 12:29:40 +0200 (CEST) X-Injection-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2024 12:29:40 +0200 (CEST) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX180e6/JEJzMgCjqZNQjRGVStH1x80cQ52wNkdy/9NKIb2uuJ57zNv6WR38yUbH7xRurOE8NQe4L1w== Content-Language: en-GB In-Reply-To: FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 5238 On 10/08/2024 22:32, RonO wrote: > https://phys.org/news/2024-08-junk-ai-scientific-publishing.html > > Several examples of scientists using AI to write papers with AI > generated mistakes that passed peer review.  I noted before that ChatGPT > could be used to write the introductions of papers, sometimes, better > than the authors had done.  One example of a figure manipulation > indicates that some authors are using it to present and discuss their > data.  That seems crazy.  ChatGPT doesn't evaluate the junk that it is > given.  It just basically summarizes what they feed into it on some > subject.  I used a graphic AI once.  I asked it to produce a picture of > a chicken walking towards the viewer.  It did a pretty good job, but > gave the chicken the wrong number of toes facing forward.  Apparently > junk like that is making it into science publications. > > With these examples it may be that one of the last papers that I > reviewed before retiring earlier this year was due to AI.  It was a good > introduction and cited the relevant papers and summarized what could be > found in them, but even though the authors had cited previous work doing > what they claimed to be doing, their experimental design was incorrect > for what they were trying to do.  The papers they cited had done things > correctly, but they had not.  I rejected the paper and informed the > journal editor that it needed substantial rewrite for the authors to > state what they had actually done.  What might have happened is that the > researchers may have had an AI write their introduction, but it was for > what they wanted to do, and not for what they actually did.  English was > likely not the primary language for the authors, and they may not have > understood the introduction that was written.  If they had understood > the introduction, they would have figured out that they had not done > what they claimed to be doing.  Peer review is going to have to deal > with this type of junk.  The last paper that I reviewed in March came > with instructions that the reviewers were not to use AI to assist them > with the review, but it looks like reviewers are going to need software > that will detect AI generated text. > > Ron Okimoto > I can understand why journals would not want to authors to use AI in writing papers*, but why would they not want reviewers to use AI tools if they can assist in reviewing the paper? * Even so, the AI rubric includes translation tools (authors might write text in their native language, and use AI for a first pass translation into English), and the spelling/grammar/style checker Grammerly now includes AI features. -- alias Ernest Major